Title. Seeing the wave of bans being randomly dished out the last couple of days, is it safe anymore to make liveries ?
Will my Rothmans Porsche liveries earn me a ban ? Or the Bastos FINA Escort ? Ya know, the very real liveries that existed ?
If this is the case, well just scrap the entire livery editor then.
A little clarification goes a long way.
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Not the answer you or anyone else want to hear, but best solution is to just remove all liveries and play with plain cars. Otherwise you may catch a ban for no reason and have to sit out 7 days (or even permanently I’ve heard).
Part of me feels better than dozens, if not hundreds of players are getting the same cold treatment I am with random, no-explanation bans. The other part of me feels like I wasted my $45 on the VIP pass and wish I could undo the payment and not support this game moving forward. Liveries were definitely one of my favorite things about Forza Horizon.
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I doubt you’ll get a straight answer. They prefer to give very vague, weasel word answers which could mean anything.
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I would try and assume that any liveries you create should also fit the age rating of the game.
Tobacco/alcohol sponsors typically don’t appear in games because of (1) age rating concerns and (2) advertising laws.
If you have to recreate a livery, you’re probably best off making the “censored” version.
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Thought about that and it’s a shame. I recreated Ickx’s Dakar 959 in game with full Rothmans logos because… It still sports those logos.
Even at the Porsche Museum :
That’d be a real shame. I always wanna make accurate liveries and censoring it just feels / is wrong.
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From what I’ve seen, personally, the only people getting banned are the ones driving around with, or creating, liveries containing blatant racism, homophobia, German World War 2 bad guys references, and drug references plastered all over the place. A couple of very specific flags will get you banned, too, as will any obscenities. As for alcohol and tobacco references, none of the Martini or Rothmans liveries that I have (on multiple vehicles, from multiple sources since the Premium Edition Launch) have been banned, and neither have the people who made them. I will note, though, that I tried to create the licence plate “Oh Yeah” as a reference to Ferris Bueller, and was told it did not pass the censor, so I don’t know what the hell that’s about.
You are probably safer just painting every car pink so as not to offend anyone. A lot of real life liveries should be banned, but they won’t be, but a certain leaf will get banned. Makes no sense at all when you step back and examine it from a neutral position.
LGB is banned but LGBT is perfectly acceptable even though they objectively fall into the same category. Neither one bothers me at all, but both will certainly make heads explode in outrage, depending on which side of the political aisle your radicalism falls.
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Some Reddit thread that I’ve seen in few different Forza social media groups is saying people are getting banned for copyright infringement by making replicas like Fast n Furious etc. I too am wondering if this is true, or if the person got banned for something else and just made this up. I feel like T10/PGG would make a point of it to have a major announcement if something like this was now a bannable offense. It definitely has a lot of painters worried.
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That person couldn’t be any more full of crap if they were a sewage treatment plant. You absolutely will not get banned for recreating the F&F cars. Those cars were actually a DLC pack for Forza Motorsport 7, and have been recreated since the livery creator first started. People are getting banned for writing the N word on the sides of vans, or painting swastikas over things. They are not, I repeat NOT, getting banned for making a Rothmans Porsche, or a Marlboro rally car, and they sure as hell aren’t getting banned for making a Fast and Furious Supra. Come on people, god damn how you can be so stupid as to believe this garbage?
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Copyright laws have nothing to do with whether or not you are making a profit on your work. Absolutely nothing.
Copyrights. And this happens IN EVERY SINGLE FRIKKIN GAME, even in real life… So, no you are not in “liberty” to recreated any copyrighted livery.
Copyright laws, as far as I know, are only a factor if you are making profit. So, considering us painters don’t make real money, that should be not relevant. Also, if you copy a logo and literally make one pixel different I’ve been told that avoids any copyright rules as well. So even an “exact” replica, the color could be one shade darker, no one would notice but that should exempt it from those laws. Disclaimer: I am obviously not a copyright attorney, my knowledge on this comes from my experience in web design, and a family member’s experience in the promotional product industry where logo use is a massive factor.
Profit has nothing to do with it LMAO.
GraceMcClain - agree with the general sentiment of your post, but it’s like all of a sudden there are a ton of folks around the interwebs saying otherwise so clarification from T10/PGG would be cool. I can’t imagine something like this would just happen overnight with no announcement or change to ToS.
It is not copyrights! It’s players doing dumb things like free candy vans, etc. The devs do not find that kind of stuff funny. I had a Mario ? block design a few Forza’s ago that said “I’d hit that” …that got me a few days ban. I see why I guess. I may not agree with it but I get it. You don’t get ban from playing just ban from having a storefront and using auction house. It does suck and they need to ease up a bit. If it was copyrights there would not be a single Monster logo in the game. Think about that. I have Monster, Fox and Marvel stuff. All no problems. However this is the first Forza I decided not to share my General Lee. They have always allowed it but I feel they could change that stance at anytime so it’s not worth putting up.
It can be a reason. In the notice about liveries it clearly states that violating the rights of person and entities (and that includes brandnames/logos) is a bannable offense.
Personally, i find all forms of censorship wrong. I have to say that the way Microsoft/Turn10/Playground/Whoever is actually responsible, acts, is downright idiotic. They ban harmless thingsl ike the Free Candy livery or a picture of a comic book character like Harley Quinn, while at the same got no problem with all those Monster Energy (which is rated for 16 years and older in the UK and everybody knows how harmful these energy “drinks” are, it’s no different than advertising alcohol, which probably will get you banned, lol) liveries or put a song like Saint Jhn’s Roses in it (and even if it’s censored here, kids will hear it, will look it up online and get the uncensored form that way and i think that song is quire inappropriate for children). There’s no logic behind all of this…
Just jump on the bandwagon and self-identify as a gender-fluid, non-binary whatever XYZ and you can upload whatever you want. I’d even go as far to say put up a confederate flag but also add a little disclaimer vinyl with a rainbow flag and “I also support LGBTQ+” just to be safe. I recall Microsoft (and I think COD: MW RM) did some promotional stuff for the BLM movement as well, so why not throw that in also? (All was around the time of the “notorious iconography” controversy.) You know, just to be safe. You’re not allowed to fly the confederate flag because the person who paints it is 100% certainly guaranteed to be some radical, but you can sport the rainbow flag all you like because there are no radical LGBTQ+ folks. XD
Must be some strange new rules if people are really getting banned for Rothmans Porsches or the like. My Rothmans, Marlboro, Lucky Strike, Camel, etc liveries are still up without question on FH3 and FM7. Maybe the new rules affect only FH5. If so, just another reason I won’t be buying this flaming heap of garbage any time soon. There’s no way I’m supporting clueless idiots banning people for flags, let alone leaves of a certain shape/color. Not to mention: https://redd.it/pvsq9r
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It´s not copyrights (Fair use Act), otherwise every YouTuber and steamer would get copyright stikes and taken down. It´s a more likely breach of ToS bans we are seeing.
But it would be nice if someone from T10/PGG could clarify. And also clarify if recreating classic Rothmans and Marlboro liveries for example now is in breach of ToS. It would be sad indeed if that is the case.
Copyright in liveries now ? I mean Come on ! we are in Forza Horizon here, not Youtube. i do understand that yeah, people copying things is bad, and they should be punished for it, but there’s a lot of conditions of that that are either breachable or are being abused completely, we are not getting Real life cash from our liveries, we are getting virtual currency that can not be considered profit because this certain currency can be obtained everywhere, PLUS, Even if we are getting credits from people downloading liking our liveries, it’s still not considered as profit because the credit amount is negligible because i can get much more credits efficiently because i’m racing well with a Jesko.
this is simply one of the worst thing that can be possible, because this can seriously encourage people to go to another racing game where the devs accepts those liveries, because this means that companies can abuse this system without any warnings, and i think a game like this is completely online, they are going to simply restrict EVERYBODY if it can be that abusable.
this better be fixed, really, i don’t want Forza Horizon to be scrapped as a franchise just because of this.
PG have created an art package not an importer, and that means that they are protected a bit. Then after that you have to decide if your work affects the sales of the original work. So does a picture of a movie affect the sales of a movie? Or does a picture on a car affect the sales of a canvas on a wall? You have to do a like for like comparison.