Let's give Dan Greenawalt & T10 some slack PLEASE READ AND COLMENT

[NukeTheRoos]

Okay here’s the thing that I really believe is wrong with the forza series these days. Dan and T10 studios is not nearly as at fault as Microsoft Studios is. Everyone needs to understand Dan is answering to a higher power. Microsoft is putting pressure on the games creators because they are greedy and want to fulfill their money lust more and more as they make more and more. It’s never enough.

Micro transactions, making us pay for DLC cars, the lack of cars and tracks is all at the fault of Microsoft. Do you really think T10 isn’t aware of the trouble that is plaguing forza? Microsoft is ruining the game they work so hard for and Dan is the one having to apologize to all the pointing fingers at him.

Microsoft forces a 2 year release cycle to turn 10 so they can make more money more often. Not giving T10 nearly enough time to take every forza release to its maxium capabilities. Dan is seeing all of our complaints. The ones about buying more cars and paying for tokens and point boosts. He knows we all hate it and is watching his game series get defaced and beginning to fall to its knees. Microsoft his making him do these things so they can make more money off of you for the purchase of your 25 dollar MS points we all buy.

So as far as that goes. Don’t get on the forums and keep bashing T10 and Forza because it’s not their fault. Keep giving your constructive criticism. Keep posting on the forums all the loves and hates of the series, because it may seem like T10 isn’t listening but they are taking our complaints to their superiors with hopes that they will be permitted to change their forza developing process and get turned down by them. Let’s all give T10 studios as much friendly constructive critisism as humanly possible for them to report back to Microsoft in hopes that they will realize that just releasing a forza isn’t going to make nearly as much money as a forza in which they are alotted enough time to perfect. Microsoft can keep their transactions I will never buy them. Just give the forza fans a complete and smooth running forza.

What I do believe T10 has control of is these DLC packs that they released in the past two months. I understand that they are seeing our complaints about old cars being gone and they’re trying to make up for that for us. They’re giving us our cars back but Microsoft is making us pay. I saw a lot of posts of everyone suggesting to T10 to give us 5 old cars and 5 new. I think that is a great idea to get people to purchase them me including. Especially concidering I’m a DLC car pack fanatic and yet I haven’t bought a single forza 5 car pack and am only going to buy the trans am and nova ss for my drag collection out of this one. I think T10 will takes this and use it for the car packs to come. If not next months then the month after that. They are listening they just over shot it. Atleast that’s my hope.

I would like to read everyone’s views and opinions on this so let’s get the ball rolling on this thread.

Happy Friday and Happy Racing. I’ll see you on the grid.

[Ixoye56]

I am convinced that you are right, Microsoft is the ones we should direct our complaints to, it’s the same tragedy with all games that they are involved in.

[jasonr71]

Hi L1V3 4 D34TH,

This may be true, even though there is a lot of dirty politics within the gaming industry like all industries when billions of dollars are involved, and obviously the most significant factor is how much money these gaming studios and their publishers make from their most successful games.

However from my experience within the IT industry over the last 25 years, it doesn’t matter what piece of software you’re designing and developing for publishing purposes, whether or not it’s a retail product or a program for a large corporation’s specific needs, the same fundamentals apply!

What I mean by this is when you first commence work on a project, in this case Forza 5, you need to do some intense research and analyses before you commence work on the development phase!

The biggest mistake Turn 10 made was playing it safe, simply because Forza 5 was written for the next generation console, and even though I’m sure the Turn 10 Forza Project Team would’ve been under a lot of pressure to have the game ready for the Xbox One day one release without any issues from their own Senior Executives within Turn 10 Studios, they would’ve been under a lot of pressure by Microsoft as well to have the game ready for release on the Xbox One day one launch!

Since there was only a handful of games for the Xbox One launch, I can understand why Turn 10 played it safe, knowing the only way to successfully achieve this was to not go over the console’s performance threshold by adding to many features that could ultimately cause major issues after its release!

If Turn 10 did have more time, they may have had the opportunity to convert all the cars, and possibly all of the circuits from Forza 4 into Forza 5!

In regards to what the players are disappointment in, as well as myself, if it’s impossible to redeem themselves by leaving Forza 5 the way it is, by following some of the very basic rules below, they can certainly make up for it when they release Forza 6.

The forums are a great way for the fans to express their opinions and provide important feedback, and at the same time if the software company makes use of the forums as a tool for analyzing the feedback in relation to what features the gamers like or don’t like about the game, what bugs the players have found in the past, and whether or not the gamers think the DLC’s are reasonably priced based on the content and quality of the DLC’s, the up and coming version can be improved dramatically, as long as there is enough money and time to add the new features and additional content.

This is where Turn 10 need to convince Microsoft that if they have more money and time, then they will sell more copies of the next version of the Forza franchise!

Regards

[GebrPouz]

@L1V3 4 D34TH

Okay here’s the thing that I really believe is wrong with the forza series these days. Dan and T10 studios is not nearly as at fault as Microsoft Studios is. Everyone needs to understand Dan is answering to a higher power. Microsoft is putting pressure on the games creators because they are greedy and want to fulfill their money lust more and more as they make more and more. It’s never enough.

Micro transactions, making us pay for DLC cars, the lack of cars and tracks is all at the fault of Microsoft. Do you really think T10 isn’t aware of the trouble that is plaguing forza? Microsoft is ruining the game they work so hard for and Dan is the one having to apologize to all the pointing fingers at him.

Microsoft forces a 2 year release cycle to turn 10 so they can make more money more often. Not giving T10 nearly enough time to take every forza release to its maxium capabilities. Dan is seeing all of our complaints. The ones about buying more cars and paying for tokens and point boosts. He knows we all hate it and is watching his game series get defaced and beginning to fall to its knees. Microsoft his making him do these things so they can make more money off of you for the purchase of your 25 dollar MS points we all buy.

So as far as that goes. Don’t get on the forums and keep bashing T10 and Forza because it’s not their fault. Keep giving your constructive criticism. Keep posting on the forums all the loves and hates of the series, because it may seem like T10 isn’t listening but they are taking our complaints to their superiors with hopes that they will be permitted to change their forza developing process and get turned down by them. Let’s all give T10 studios as much friendly constructive critisism as humanly possible for them to report back to Microsoft in hopes that they will realize that just releasing a forza isn’t going to make nearly as much money as a forza in which they are alotted enough time to perfect. Microsoft can keep their transactions I will never buy them. Just give the forza fans a complete and smooth running forza.

What I do believe T10 has control of is these HORRIBLE DLC packs that they released in the past two months. I understand that they are seeing our complaints about old cars being gone and they’re trying to make up for that for us. They’re giving us our cars back but Microsoft is making us pay. I saw a lot of posts of everyone suggesting to T10 to give us 5 old cars and 5 new. I think that is a great idea to get people to purchase them me including. Especially concidering I’m a DLC car pack fanatic and yet I haven’t bought a single forza 5 car pack and am only going to buy the trans am and nova ss for my drag collection out of this one. I think T10 will takes this and use it for the car packs to come. If not next months then the month after that. They are listening they just over shot it. Atleast that’s my hope.

I would like to read everyone’s views and opinions on this so let’s get the ball rolling on this thread.

Happy Friday and Happy Racing. I’ll see you on the grid.

“Micro transactions, making us pay for DLC cars, the lack of cars and tracks is all at the fault of Microsoft.”
Micro transactions, paid DLC are part of many other games as well, whether by Microsoft studios or not…

“Microsoft forces a 2 year release cycle to turn 10 so they can make more money more often. Not giving T10 nearly enough time to take every forza release to its maxium capabilities.”
Turn 10 has a had a two year production cycle ever since FM1, so why would the present issues be caused by bad, bad Microsoft. If a two year cycle would be an issue it would be an issue with every other iteration. Besides I keep hearing, that T10 did not have enough time (plus some say because of Microsoft). However, just take your reference point: the two year production cycle. Plus lets add another one to make it a relevant comparisson: console transition. So FM5 should be compared to FM2. Lack of content (tracks, cars and all the stuff you peeps keep whining about) is equivalent to the situation of FM2.

“paying for tokens and point boosts… we all hate it”
Why do you hate it? No one forces it on you. Its OPTIONAL. Do you hate it, because you would want to use it, but cant afford it? I really cant think of any other reason, why people are so concerned about it. Dont use it, if you dont want to… Very simple, no need for hard feelings, and hating.

“Keep giving your constructive criticism.”
This, you should try to follow this simple recommendation yourself.

“Don’t get on the forums and keep bashing T10 and Forza because it’s not their fault”. + “Dan and T10 studios is not nearly as at fault as Microsoft Studios is.”
So what about the constructive feedback, we should not hate and bash T10, but we should bash Microsoft??? You are not really constructive yourself, you are battling imaginary constructions, Don Quixote style.

Regardless of what I think of Microsoft, Microsoft studio T10 gets my recognition.

[JeepXLC]

i’ve been given the impression by a couple mods that i shouldn’t participate in these threads anymore, so if you’ll forgive me i’ll only comment on one of your points. assuming the mods see fit to allow my post to be posted at all. as i’m still under moderation.

@GebrPouz

“paying for tokens and point boosts… we all hate it”
Why do you hate it? No one forces it on you. Its OPTIONAL. Do you hate it, because you would want to use it, but cant afford it? I really cant think of any other reason, why people are so concerned about it. Dont use it, if you dont want to… Very simple, no need for hard feelings, and hating.

i can only speak for myself, but i think other will agree. i hate the tokens and accelerator for one very simple reason. by adding that factor into the game it changes the philosophy of the hard work required to reap the rewards. because instead of those rewards being a positive goal, and a symbol of your hard work and dedication, now they are the carrot being dangled in front of us and if we don’t want to fork over even more money we have to grind for these rewards while some heavy pocketed casual just come along and just buy everything you worked so hard for. it puts a dollar amount on all of our hardwork. and that cheapens the whole experience where as before it was prestigious.

[NukeTheRoos]

@GebrPouz

@L1V3 4 D34TH

Okay here’s the thing that I really believe is wrong with the forza series these days. Dan and T10 studios is not nearly as at fault as Microsoft Studios is. Everyone needs to understand Dan is answering to a higher power. Microsoft is putting pressure on the games creators because they are greedy and want to fulfill their money lust more and more as they make more and more. It’s never enough.

Micro transactions, making us pay for DLC cars, the lack of cars and tracks is all at the fault of Microsoft. Do you really think T10 isn’t aware of the trouble that is plaguing forza? Microsoft is ruining the game they work so hard for and Dan is the one having to apologize to all the pointing fingers at him.

Microsoft forces a 2 year release cycle to turn 10 so they can make more money more often. Not giving T10 nearly enough time to take every forza release to its maxium capabilities. Dan is seeing all of our complaints. The ones about buying more cars and paying for tokens and point boosts. He knows we all hate it and is watching his game series get defaced and beginning to fall to its knees. Microsoft his making him do these things so they can make more money off of you for the purchase of your 25 dollar MS points we all buy.

So as far as that goes. Don’t get on the forums and keep bashing T10 and Forza because it’s not their fault. Keep giving your constructive criticism. Keep posting on the forums all the loves and hates of the series, because it may seem like T10 isn’t listening but they are taking our complaints to their superiors with hopes that they will be permitted to change their forza developing process and get turned down by them. Let’s all give T10 studios as much friendly constructive critisism as humanly possible for them to report back to Microsoft in hopes that they will realize that just releasing a forza isn’t going to make nearly as much money as a forza in which they are alotted enough time to perfect. Microsoft can keep their transactions I will never buy them. Just give the forza fans a complete and smooth running forza.

What I do believe T10 has control of is these HORRIBLE DLC packs that they released in the past two months. I understand that they are seeing our complaints about old cars being gone and they’re trying to make up for that for us. They’re giving us our cars back but Microsoft is making us pay. I saw a lot of posts of everyone suggesting to T10 to give us 5 old cars and 5 new. I think that is a great idea to get people to purchase them me including. Especially concidering I’m a DLC car pack fanatic and yet I haven’t bought a single forza 5 car pack and am only going to buy the trans am and nova ss for my drag collection out of this one. I think T10 will takes this and use it for the car packs to come. If not next months then the month after that. They are listening they just over shot it. Atleast that’s my hope.

I would like to read everyone’s views and opinions on this so let’s get the ball rolling on this thread.

Happy Friday and Happy Racing. I’ll see you on the grid.

“Micro transactions, making us pay for DLC cars, the lack of cars and tracks is all at the fault of Microsoft.”
Micro transactions, paid DLC are part of many other games as well, whether by Microsoft studios or not…

“Microsoft forces a 2 year release cycle to turn 10 so they can make more money more often. Not giving T10 nearly enough time to take every forza release to its maxium capabilities.”
Turn 10 has a had a two year production cycle ever since FM1, so why would the present issues be caused by bad, bad Microsoft. If a two year cycle would be an issue it would be an issue with every other iteration. Besides I keep hearing, that T10 did not have enough time (plus some say because of Microsoft). However, just take your reference point: the two year production cycle. Plus lets add another one to make it a relevant comparisson: console transition. So FM5 should be compared to FM2. Lack of content (tracks, cars and all the stuff you peeps keep whining about) is equivalent to the situation of FM2.

“paying for tokens and point boosts… we all hate it”
Why do you hate it? No one forces it on you. Its OPTIONAL. Do you hate it, because you would want to use it, but cant afford it? I really cant think of any other reason, why people are so concerned about it. Dont use it, if you dont want to… Very simple, no need for hard feelings, and hating.

“Keep giving your constructive criticism.”
This, you should try to follow this simple recommendation yourself.

“Don’t get on the forums and keep bashing T10 and Forza because it’s not their fault”. + “Dan and T10 studios is not nearly as at fault as Microsoft Studios is.”
So what about the constructive feedback, we should not hate and bash T10, but we should bash Microsoft??? You are not really constructive yourself, you are battling imaginary constructions, Don Quixote style.

Regardless of what I think of Microsoft, Microsoft studio T10 gets my recognition.

The reason the two year cycle is bad in this case and not in the past is because of the fact that forza 5 was built from the ground up. A fresh start that to me ( now I’m no game maker) seems like way to little time to make a great game. Look at gta 5 it set world records. It took what? 5 years to make? Now I’m not saying forza needs 5 years, but they should have backed off their release ATLEAST a year to give their fans a more complete game.

And why I hate micro transactions. The points boosts and car tokens take away the exclusiveness of the cars you own and the level you are in forza. It has nothing to do with me not being able to afford them. It has to do with my XP level and my Expensive cars being worth nothing. Because some kid with mommys credit card that can’t make a turn if he was on tracks. Is driving that same car and has the same or more XP than me when all he does is sit around the track and crash everyone.

And as for not point the finger at T10 and pointing it at Microsoft. Microsoft is in charge of forza I don’t know if you read my whole post completely or not but Microsoft is the ultimate desider on what features should and shouldn’t be in forza.

It’s blind fans like you (no offense) that jump straight on T10s defense that is the main problem with my forza is barely improving at all. Your not seeing the big picture. And the risks that future forzas are under that can drop this series down.

I’m not saying all these things because I hate forza and want it to die. In saying it because I love forza and I’m wanting the ONLY racing game I ever buy to continue being the only racing game I ever buy.

[GebrPouz]

@L1V3 4 D34TH

@GebrPouz

@L1V3 4 D34TH

Okay here’s the thing that I really believe is wrong with the forza series these days. Dan and T10 studios is not nearly as at fault as Microsoft Studios is. Everyone needs to understand Dan is answering to a higher power. Microsoft is putting pressure on the games creators because they are greedy and want to fulfill their money lust more and more as they make more and more. It’s never enough.

Micro transactions, making us pay for DLC cars, the lack of cars and tracks is all at the fault of Microsoft. Do you really think T10 isn’t aware of the trouble that is plaguing forza? Microsoft is ruining the game they work so hard for and Dan is the one having to apologize to all the pointing fingers at him.

Microsoft forces a 2 year release cycle to turn 10 so they can make more money more often. Not giving T10 nearly enough time to take every forza release to its maxium capabilities. Dan is seeing all of our complaints. The ones about buying more cars and paying for tokens and point boosts. He knows we all hate it and is watching his game series get defaced and beginning to fall to its knees. Microsoft his making him do these things so they can make more money off of you for the purchase of your 25 dollar MS points we all buy.

So as far as that goes. Don’t get on the forums and keep bashing T10 and Forza because it’s not their fault. Keep giving your constructive criticism. Keep posting on the forums all the loves and hates of the series, because it may seem like T10 isn’t listening but they are taking our complaints to their superiors with hopes that they will be permitted to change their forza developing process and get turned down by them. Let’s all give T10 studios as much friendly constructive critisism as humanly possible for them to report back to Microsoft in hopes that they will realize that just releasing a forza isn’t going to make nearly as much money as a forza in which they are alotted enough time to perfect. Microsoft can keep their transactions I will never buy them. Just give the forza fans a complete and smooth running forza.

What I do believe T10 has control of is these HORRIBLE DLC packs that they released in the past two months. I understand that they are seeing our complaints about old cars being gone and they’re trying to make up for that for us. They’re giving us our cars back but Microsoft is making us pay. I saw a lot of posts of everyone suggesting to T10 to give us 5 old cars and 5 new. I think that is a great idea to get people to purchase them me including. Especially concidering I’m a DLC car pack fanatic and yet I haven’t bought a single forza 5 car pack and am only going to buy the trans am and nova ss for my drag collection out of this one. I think T10 will takes this and use it for the car packs to come. If not next months then the month after that. They are listening they just over shot it. Atleast that’s my hope.

I would like to read everyone’s views and opinions on this so let’s get the ball rolling on this thread.

Happy Friday and Happy Racing. I’ll see you on the grid.

“Micro transactions, making us pay for DLC cars, the lack of cars and tracks is all at the fault of Microsoft.”
Micro transactions, paid DLC are part of many other games as well, whether by Microsoft studios or not…

“Microsoft forces a 2 year release cycle to turn 10 so they can make more money more often. Not giving T10 nearly enough time to take every forza release to its maxium capabilities.”
Turn 10 has a had a two year production cycle ever since FM1, so why would the present issues be caused by bad, bad Microsoft. If a two year cycle would be an issue it would be an issue with every other iteration. Besides I keep hearing, that T10 did not have enough time (plus some say because of Microsoft). However, just take your reference point: the two year production cycle. Plus lets add another one to make it a relevant comparisson: console transition. So FM5 should be compared to FM2. Lack of content (tracks, cars and all the stuff you peeps keep whining about) is equivalent to the situation of FM2.

“paying for tokens and point boosts… we all hate it”
Why do you hate it? No one forces it on you. Its OPTIONAL. Do you hate it, because you would want to use it, but cant afford it? I really cant think of any other reason, why people are so concerned about it. Dont use it, if you dont want to… Very simple, no need for hard feelings, and hating.

“Keep giving your constructive criticism.”
This, you should try to follow this simple recommendation yourself.

“Don’t get on the forums and keep bashing T10 and Forza because it’s not their fault”. + “Dan and T10 studios is not nearly as at fault as Microsoft Studios is.”
So what about the constructive feedback, we should not hate and bash T10, but we should bash Microsoft??? You are not really constructive yourself, you are battling imaginary constructions, Don Quixote style.

Regardless of what I think of Microsoft, Microsoft studio T10 gets my recognition.

The reason the two year cycle is bad in this case and not in the past is because of the fact that forza 5 was built from the ground up. A fresh start that to me ( now I’m no game maker) seems like way to little time to make a great game. Look at gta 5 it set world records. It took what? 5 years to make? Now I’m not saying forza needs 5 years, but they should have backed off their release ATLEAST a year to give their fans a more complete game.

And why I hate micro transactions. The points boosts and car tokens take away the exclusiveness of the cars you own and the level you are in forza. It has nothing to do with me not being able to afford them. It has to do with my XP level and my Expensive cars being worth nothing. Because some kid with mommys credit card that can’t make a turn if he was on tracks. Is driving that same car and has the same or more XP than me when all he does is sit around the track and crash everyone.

And as for not point the finger at T10 and pointing it at Microsoft. Microsoft is in charge of forza I don’t know if you read my whole post completely or not but Microsoft is the ultimate desider on what features should and shouldn’t be in forza.

It’s blind fans like you (no offense) that jump straight on T10s defense that is the main problem with my forza is barely improving at all. Your not seeing the big picture. And the risks that future forzas are under that can drop this series down.

I’m not saying all these things because I hate forza and want it to die. In saying it because I love forza and I’m wanting the ONLY racing game I ever buy to continue being the only racing game I ever buy.

TWO YEAR CYCLE
“The reason the two year cycle is bad in this case and not in the past is because of the fact that forza 5 was built from the ground up.”
I completely agree that FM5 was built from the ground up and thats the way we should judge FM5, thats the reason I brought FM2 to the discussion. It was also a console transition and also built for a new system. It was also created in two years. I brought this comparisson into the debate because you said that they had time constraints - the usual babble you hear at the forums like a track on repeat. Many of you claim that it was the launch date set by bad bad MS that pushed T10 to release it too early, or unfinished and all those speculative conspiracy like arguments repeated ad infinitum. But FM2 is a very similar game to FM5 in terms of quantity. It was not even released on launch - no launch constraints and still it has in terms of cars, tracks and features a comparable amount of content as FM5. So you say it should not take 5 years like GTA5. But lets assume they would release it a couple of months later after launch, would it have that much more content? See FM2… Would they make so much more content which could not be added with patches, updates, DLCs? Would you rather wait for it to get the same game you could get by patches, updates, DLC? I personally wouldnt.

MICROTRANSACTIONS
"It has to do with my XP level and my Expensive cars being worth nothing. Because some kid with mommys credit card that can’t make a turn if he was on tracks. Is driving that same car and has the same or more XP than me when all he does is sit around the track and crash everyone. "
So it has no worth for whom? You or that kid? With your argument I would rather assume that the cars have no worth for that kid. If you work hard to earn credist to be able to afford the car, it has a symbolic value for you… Doesnt it? Why would his car devalue your car? Its how much it is worth for you. Who cares about that kid. Besides if that is your biggest problem, Forza rewards devalues your cars as well? Every month you get a pile of cash, you can easily buy cars, cant you? Besides why creating imaginary kids to hate on? Why mommys creditcard? What if it is someones own creditcard, for which he or she has worked hard for? Besides even without microtransactions people can go and crash you… Just think about it. Whatsmore, what about people who can actually “make a turn”, who are actually good players? Do you hate on them as well? Your whole argument is a fallacy. You automatically assume it devalues cars, that they use mommy cards, that they cant drive? Is that all you got?

ULTIMATE DECIDER
"And as for not point the finger at T10 and pointing it at Microsoft. Microsoft is in charge of forza I don’t know if you read my whole post completely or not but Microsoft is the ultimate desider on what features should and shouldn’t be in forza. "
Source? Are you an insider? Or are these just plain speculations, assumptions? Conspiracy about some puppetmaster pulling the strings.

POV
“It’s blind fans like you (no offense) that jump straight on T10s defense that is the main problem with my forza is barely improving at all. Your not seeing the big picture. And the risks that future forzas are under that can drop this series down.”
Please dont make assumptions about my ability to see things, if you dont know me. Only because I dont agree with you on some of your points it doesnt mean I am a blind fan. We all have our point of view and our right to disagree and to have a differing opinion. So you see the big picture? I am blind? You have gained a gods eye point of view? You have solved all epistemological issues related to knowing the truth because you have reached the archimedean point? You deserve a medal. Dont make me laugh!!!

"I love forza "
At least we agree on something. Have a nice day!

[NukeTheRoos]

@GebrPouz

@L1V3 4 D34TH

@GebrPouz

@L1V3 4 D34TH

Okay here’s the thing that I really believe is wrong with the forza series these days. Dan and T10 studios is not nearly as at fault as Microsoft Studios is. Everyone needs to understand Dan is answering to a higher power. Microsoft is putting pressure on the games creators because they are greedy and want to fulfill their money lust more and more as they make more and more. It’s never enough.

Micro transactions, making us pay for DLC cars, the lack of cars and tracks is all at the fault of Microsoft. Do you really think T10 isn’t aware of the trouble that is plaguing forza? Microsoft is ruining the game they work so hard for and Dan is the one having to apologize to all the pointing fingers at him.

Microsoft forces a 2 year release cycle to turn 10 so they can make more money more often. Not giving T10 nearly enough time to take every forza release to its maxium capabilities. Dan is seeing all of our complaints. The ones about buying more cars and paying for tokens and point boosts. He knows we all hate it and is watching his game series get defaced and beginning to fall to its knees. Microsoft his making him do these things so they can make more money off of you for the purchase of your 25 dollar MS points we all buy.

So as far as that goes. Don’t get on the forums and keep bashing T10 and Forza because it’s not their fault. Keep giving your constructive criticism. Keep posting on the forums all the loves and hates of the series, because it may seem like T10 isn’t listening but they are taking our complaints to their superiors with hopes that they will be permitted to change their forza developing process and get turned down by them. Let’s all give T10 studios as much friendly constructive critisism as humanly possible for them to report back to Microsoft in hopes that they will realize that just releasing a forza isn’t going to make nearly as much money as a forza in which they are alotted enough time to perfect. Microsoft can keep their transactions I will never buy them. Just give the forza fans a complete and smooth running forza.

What I do believe T10 has control of is these HORRIBLE DLC packs that they released in the past two months. I understand that they are seeing our complaints about old cars being gone and they’re trying to make up for that for us. They’re giving us our cars back but Microsoft is making us pay. I saw a lot of posts of everyone suggesting to T10 to give us 5 old cars and 5 new. I think that is a great idea to get people to purchase them me including. Especially concidering I’m a DLC car pack fanatic and yet I haven’t bought a single forza 5 car pack and am only going to buy the trans am and nova ss for my drag collection out of this one. I think T10 will takes this and use it for the car packs to come. If not next months then the month after that. They are listening they just over shot it. Atleast that’s my hope.

I would like to read everyone’s views and opinions on this so let’s get the ball rolling on this thread.

Happy Friday and Happy Racing. I’ll see you on the grid.

“Micro transactions, making us pay for DLC cars, the lack of cars and tracks is all at the fault of Microsoft.”
Micro transactions, paid DLC are part of many other games as well, whether by Microsoft studios or not…

“Microsoft forces a 2 year release cycle to turn 10 so they can make more money more often. Not giving T10 nearly enough time to take every forza release to its maxium capabilities.”
Turn 10 has a had a two year production cycle ever since FM1, so why would the present issues be caused by bad, bad Microsoft. If a two year cycle would be an issue it would be an issue with every other iteration. Besides I keep hearing, that T10 did not have enough time (plus some say because of Microsoft). However, just take your reference point: the two year production cycle. Plus lets add another one to make it a relevant comparisson: console transition. So FM5 should be compared to FM2. Lack of content (tracks, cars and all the stuff you peeps keep whining about) is equivalent to the situation of FM2.

“paying for tokens and point boosts… we all hate it”
Why do you hate it? No one forces it on you. Its OPTIONAL. Do you hate it, because you would want to use it, but cant afford it? I really cant think of any other reason, why people are so concerned about it. Dont use it, if you dont want to… Very simple, no need for hard feelings, and hating.

“Keep giving your constructive criticism.”
This, you should try to follow this simple recommendation yourself.

“Don’t get on the forums and keep bashing T10 and Forza because it’s not their fault”. + “Dan and T10 studios is not nearly as at fault as Microsoft Studios is.”
So what about the constructive feedback, we should not hate and bash T10, but we should bash Microsoft??? You are not really constructive yourself, you are battling imaginary constructions, Don Quixote style.

Regardless of what I think of Microsoft, Microsoft studio T10 gets my recognition.

The reason the two year cycle is bad in this case and not in the past is because of the fact that forza 5 was built from the ground up. A fresh start that to me ( now I’m no game maker) seems like way to little time to make a great game. Look at gta 5 it set world records. It took what? 5 years to make? Now I’m not saying forza needs 5 years, but they should have backed off their release ATLEAST a year to give their fans a more complete game.

And why I hate micro transactions. The points boosts and car tokens take away the exclusiveness of the cars you own and the level you are in forza. It has nothing to do with me not being able to afford them. It has to do with my XP level and my Expensive cars being worth nothing. Because some kid with mommys credit card that can’t make a turn if he was on tracks. Is driving that same car and has the same or more XP than me when all he does is sit around the track and crash everyone.

And as for not point the finger at T10 and pointing it at Microsoft. Microsoft is in charge of forza I don’t know if you read my whole post completely or not but Microsoft is the ultimate desider on what features should and shouldn’t be in forza.

It’s blind fans like you (no offense) that jump straight on T10s defense that is the main problem with my forza is barely improving at all. Your not seeing the big picture. And the risks that future forzas are under that can drop this series down.

I’m not saying all these things because I hate forza and want it to die. In saying it because I love forza and I’m wanting the ONLY racing game I ever buy to continue being the only racing game I ever buy.

TWO YEAR CYCLE
“The reason the two year cycle is bad in this case and not in the past is because of the fact that forza 5 was built from the ground up.”
I completely agree that FM5 was built from the ground up and thats the way we should judge FM5, thats the reason I brought FM2 to the discussion. It was also a console transition and also built for a new system. It was also created in two years. I brought this comparisson into the debate because you said that they had time constraints - the usual babble you hear at the forums like a track on repeat. Many of you claim that it was the launch date set by bad bad MS that pushed T10 to release it too early, or unfinished and all those speculative conspiracy like arguments repeated ad infinitum. But FM2 is a very similar game to FM5 in terms of quantity. It was not even released on launch - no launch constraints and still it has in terms of cars, tracks and features a comparable amount of content as FM5. So you say it should not take 5 years like GTA5. But lets assume they would release it a couple of months later after launch, would it have that much more content? See FM2… Would they make so much more content which could not be added with patches, updates, DLCs? Would you rather wait for it to get the same game you could get by patches, updates, DLC? I personally wouldnt.

MICROTRANSACTIONS
"It has to do with my XP level and my Expensive cars being worth nothing. Because some kid with mommys credit card that can’t make a turn if he was on tracks. Is driving that same car and has the same or more XP than me when all he does is sit around the track and crash everyone. "
So it has no worth for whom? You or that kid? With your argument I would rather assume that the cars have no worth for that kid. If you work hard to earn credist to be able to afford the car, it has a symbolic value for you… Doesnt it? Why would his car devalue your car? Its how much it is worth for you. Who cares about that kid. Besides if that is your biggest problem, Forza rewards devalues your cars as well? Every month you get a pile of cash, you can easily buy cars, cant you? Besides why creating imaginary kids to hate on? Why mommys creditcard? What if it is someones own creditcard, for which he or she has worked hard for? Besides even without microtransactions people can go and crash you… Just think about it

ULTIMATE DECIDER
"And as for not point the finger at T10 and pointing it at Microsoft. Microsoft is in charge of forza I don’t know if you read my whole post completely or not but Microsoft is the ultimate desider on what features should and shouldn’t be in forza. "
Source? Are you an insider? Or are these just plain speculations, assumptions? Conspiracy about some puppetmaster pulling the strings.

POV
“It’s blind fans like you (no offense) that jump straight on T10s defense that is the main problem with my forza is barely improving at all. Your not seeing the big picture. And the risks that future forzas are under that can drop this series down.”
Please dont make assumptions about my ability to see things, if you dont know me. Only because I dont agree with you on some of your points it doesnt mean I am a blind fan. We all have our point of view and our right to disagree and to have a differing opinion. So you see the big picture? I am blind? You have gained a gods eye point of view? You have solved all epistemological issues related to knowing the truth because you have reached the archimedean point? You deserve a medal. Dont make me laugh!!!

"I love forza "
At least we agree on something. Have a nice day!

As for microteansactions, after spending lets say 5 million dollars on one car I don’t want to see people driving that car all the time I worked hard for it and it should be a car rarely seen by players instead people either spend 5 million or 2 dollars of real money and get the car. Therefore that car you worked so hard for is EVERYWHERE.

and as for sourcing myself. Why would I need I so that. Just look at your forza5 box it says right on there Microsoft studios. Who do you think is funding who? Do you really think a multi million dollar company is funding Microsoft a multi billion dollar company? Who gets the ultimate benefit of Microsoft point and DLC? Could it be T10? I doubt it they’re called MICROSOFT points not Turn 10 points. There is no sources needed in this argument it is simple business. If turn 10 wants microsofts funding they are going to do EVERYTHING Microsoft tells them to do in order to get it. I would love to point the finger at T10 studios because they’re the direct viewers of our complaints, but Microsoft is the ultimate desider on the action to take about our complaints.

[gairsy101]

@L1V3 4 D34TH

What I do believe T10 has control of is these HORRIBLE DLC packs that they released in the past two months. I understand that they are seeing our complaints about old cars being gone and they’re trying to make up for that for us. They’re giving us our cars back but Microsoft is making us pay. I saw a lot of posts of everyone suggesting to T10 to give us 5 old cars and 5 new. I think that is a great idea to get people to purchase them me including. Especially concidering I’m a DLC car pack fanatic and yet I haven’t bought a single forza 5 car pack and am only going to buy the trans am and nova ss for my drag collection out of this one. I think T10 will takes this and use it for the car packs to come. If not next months then the month after that. They are listening they just over shot it. Atleast that’s my hope. I would like to read everyone’s views and opinions on this so let’s get the ball rolling on this thread. Happy Friday and Happy Racing. I’ll see you on the grid.

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[NukeTheRoos]

@gairsy101

@L1V3 4 D34TH

What I do believe T10 has control of is these HORRIBLE DLC packs that they released in the past two months. I understand that they are seeing our complaints about old cars being gone and they’re trying to make up for that for us. They’re giving us our cars back but Microsoft is making us pay. I saw a lot of posts of everyone suggesting to T10 to give us 5 old cars and 5 new. I think that is a great idea to get people to purchase them me including. Especially concidering I’m a DLC car pack fanatic and yet I haven’t bought a single forza 5 car pack and am only going to buy the trans am and nova ss for my drag collection out of this one. I think T10 will takes this and use it for the car packs to come. If not next months then the month after that. They are listening they just over shot it. Atleast that’s my hope. I would like to read everyone’s views and opinions on this so let’s get the ball rolling on this thread. Happy Friday and Happy Racing. I’ll see you on the grid.

Mod Edit - Please red the TOS and act accordingly - D

I think I fixed it. Please let me know thanks

[Clark_GriswoId]

Mod Edit - Please red the TOS and act accordingly - D

[Bertuluci_Dias]

I’m sick of reading “blame Microsoft, not T10.”

Microsoft is doing every single stuff that fans are demading, from DRM polices, to kinect “processing power” consumption. Everything that many people asked, we got. (except price reduciton )

T10 on other hand, dont give us any love at all. We screamed like crazy to get screenshots, and they put some only few weeks before release. We screamed for car and track list, and again they showed us just few weeks before the game come out. We want all cars on freeplay, they dont give us, we want play carreer mode out of the same starting grid position, they dont give it to us, we want realistic tires and fuel, night driving, weather, they dont give, and so on.

So we can blame Micrsoft for a lot of stuff, but if this game is a disaster (not in sales, but in customer respect) It is T10 falt.

On other side, inside game, the amazing physics, the amazing challenges, the laser scaned tracks, and all good stuff on this game (and there is many), is all thanks to T10, and not Microsoft.

People shold stop complaining about Forza 5, the best “lesson” that a Forza customer can give to the devs is not buying Horizon 2, and buying competitor games, like Project Cars (that is comming to Xbox One this year). This is much more effective and clean than come to a video game forum and start to put offences against the devs or against companies.

*PS.: I know that T10 is not the main producer of Horizon 2, you dont need to tell me.

[badad117]

What we got here is “early adopter remorse” AKA “buyer’s remorse”. Can’t really blame anyone but ourselves…for buying an XB1 console. Considering M$'s track record for release of new software/hardware did anyone honestly think the new console or any games developed for it were going to be polished and 100% functional? We bought it, we are to blame, fool me once. Now make the best of it and carry on.

[ooPAYNEoo]

@badad117

What we got here is “early adopter remorse” AKA “buyer’s remorse”. Can’t really blame anyone but ourselves…for buying an XB1 console. Considering M$'s track record for release of new software/hardware did anyone honestly think the new console or any games developed for it were going to be polished and 100% functional? We bought it, we are to blame, fool me once. Now make the best of it and carry on.

Well, we bought it perhaps a year too early. It was shiny, they deliberately made it so elusive, creating a badge of honor for people scouring stores, waiting in lines, hide & go seek, it’s discreet hype created for us to buy into.

I’m sure at some time next year we will feel a lot better about it once some worthy games come out. Like when I’m playing the next Fallout (a game that will benefit), I’m sure it’ll all be worth it.

[Alfa_Scighera]

@badad117

What we got here is “early adopter remorse” AKA “buyer’s remorse”. Can’t really blame anyone but ourselves…for buying an XB1 console. Considering M$'s track record for release of new software/hardware did anyone honestly think the new console or any games developed for it were going to be polished and 100% functional? We bought it, we are to blame, fool me once. Now make the best of it and carry on.

Referring to Microsoft as M$ is forbidden on these forums, as previously stated by Worm. Post with that in mind next time.

[Bucky_O_Hare69]

I dont really care about micro transactions for DLC packs etc.

The main problems for me seem to stem from the game appearing to be rushed to completion to be released for day one, or a strange dumbing down.

The game doesn’t tell you your fastest lap.
It doesn’t tell you how far behind (or in front) the next car is - in terms of time at each sector.
It doesn’t tell give you the distances in feet, or meters etc to cars around you that it used to in all iterations of the online arena.
You have to go looking for the race result - it doesn’t present itself to you unless you actually look for it (yes I know you can hit start to see the result when you have crossed the line at the end of the race).
When you do click the event results screen the details are nearly always wrong - yes this may be a bug, but quite a significant one. Why introduce new game modes such as tag etc (does anyone really play this other than for a quick few laughs??) instead of spending the time to fix obvious flaws?
Most importantly for me, no cycled production hopper.

It seems as though too much time was spent focusing on how the game looks, or gimicks, whilst real racing items were simply forgotten about.

[Bucky_O_Hare69]

sorry, double post

[Griff_Vulture]

I don’t know what the problem is with micro transactions. Everyone complains about them like T10 and Microsoft invented them or something. They are not new nor is this the first time they have ever been implemented even in the Forza series (tokens for cars in FM4). Almost every game out there has some form of micro transaction or DLC that you have to pay for. If you don’t like them don’t buy them. It is as simple as that.

[NukeTheRoos]

@Griff_Vulture

I don’t know what the problem is with micro transactions. Everyone complains about them like T10 and Microsoft invented them or something. They are not new nor is this the first time they have ever been implemented even in the Forza series (tokens for cars in FM4). Almost every game out there has some form of micro transaction or DLC that you have to pay for. If you don’t like them don’t buy them. It is as simple as that.

The problem is car exclusiveness and people who really play forza and tune and race and are top of the Leader boards. Having a smaller driver level than a little boy in a land rover waiting to crash everyone.

Everyone is well aware that this isn’t the first forza with them, because I including a lot of other people didn’t like them in previous forzas. In my opinion forza 1 and 2 were the best forzas ever made.

[SlyWicky]

@Griff_Vulture

I don’t know what the problem is with micro transactions. Everyone complains about them like T10 and Microsoft invented them or something. They are not new nor is this the first time they have ever been implemented even in the Forza series (tokens for cars in FM4). Almost every game out there has some form of micro transaction or DLC that you have to pay for. If you don’t like them don’t buy them. It is as simple as that.

Then make a full game so I don’t have to buy these stupid micro transactions! Just make one full game and price it at $120 and make a second game at $59 that you can buy what you want cause your not fooling anyone with the total price you pay for a game these days.