the new updates looks awesome butt…just the Rivals Leaderboards being wiped??? Please tell us you meant all leaderboards…
Edit just watched the replay of the live stream and answered my own concern thank you T10
All leaderboards will be wiped. And the times shown in the rivals will only be set in rivals, no times set in online, campaign, or freeplay will be shown in the rivals leaderboards
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Really? So not quite like the old way of being able to post leaderboard times online in a private lobby with friends? That sucks. Was always good getting a group of friends in the same lobby pushing each other to go quicker (spaced out round the track of course to avoid invalidating each other’s laps). Still I’m not moaning, the main way I play forza is back!
My only concern about this, is that we may lose career/ free play leaderboards altogether.
I played a bit of project cars recently & this seems close to their model around leaderboards.
In which case it’s not as great for me as it sounds initially.
Guess we’ll know soon enough.
That would eliminate the one enjoyable element of career mode!
I hope we don’t lose division based leaderboards. I know people who have played the previous games before 7 are used to class based leaderboards, but having played 7 first, I think division based leaderboards make so much more sense. When I play the earlier games, the class based leaderboards just seem silly, with the majority of times clearly not attempts at putting in a best possible performance for that class, i.e. they don’t have the PI maxed out or close to it. I think it would certainly make sense for times set in career mode to not be included in class based leaderboards (as the car won’t be optimised for its class), but I’d like to see division based leaderboards retained, and career mode times included in them.
Finally we’ll see the real racers, not those that ‘cut’ corners all the time.
Lets see how good these so called top of current leaderboards really are !
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They will still be top of the leaderboards. The top drivers can take the optimal line at the optimal speed. Changing the goal posts will not change that fact.
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We’ll see
The fact of the matter is that the top 10 racers for example, seem to be running almost “cartoon” style physics. Which is impossible to beat.
I generally do quite well, using a wheel, clutch, gear shifter setup and normally average around the top 20% or so, sometimes better. That’s racing as best as i can, it;s just strange how the top of the leaderboards are always nigh on impossible to achieve. It makes me wonder how they are doing it sometimes, like i said, cartoon type play…
Although i do agree that there are genuinely fast players, so i expect the times to be more realistic instead of being unbeatable.
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From the sound of it you seem to think that there is some sort of exploit they are using that the track limits will now fix? What I am confused about is that you mention “cartoon like physics” which has nothing to do with track limits. So which is it?
Are you saying they are fast because of track limits or because they use a different physics system?
I hate to be that guy but I’m gonna be that guy. I have always been in the top 10 of the world, specifically in A class. These track limits will not change the limits dramatically, remember to be at the top of the leaderboards as it currently stands we still need to put in CLEAN lap times using the same game and physics engine as you guys, having the exact same amount of resources available.
This is not always easy to grasp but in life (and FM) there will ALWAYS be better people than you. You want a realistic assessment of the skill gap between you and the top players? Go download my tunes. I ALWAYS make them available for others to download so people like you can be on the same leveled playing field and realize the skill difference that really exist.
Like other respectable fast drivers have already mentioned on this same post. Nothing will change, the top guys will still be at the top and I almost guarantee that the times themselves wont even be that much slower if at all. In fact for me they may even be faster, as before I didn’t have an option to follow a ghost and now I will. Sorry to sound like such a snob but I’ve practiced my butt off and taken A LOT of time to learn how to build/tune properly to become one of the best in the class that I like to race and take offense to people trying to brush it off like we are cheating instead of realizing that maybe that fact that you can’t crack the top 20% may in fact be the culprit.
Below are a couple of videos of top times in the world in 2 different tracks with 2 different cars for reference.
Catalunya GP - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3A3cBf4QyXQ&t=40s
Sonoma Full - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOSZOeiMOWU
You aren’t the only one seeing that. It’s very noticeable on rented/non owned rivals. But there is an easy way to prove that theory. Take screen shots of the leader-board now before they get reset. Use the current revivals as a quick way to get screenshots for leader-board. Then watch the leader-board for the 1st 5 hrs after the update. Screenshot that. Then after about 5 days look at them again. That will tell you if your theory is correct or not. I’m assuming it will be.
If the leader-boards for non-owned/rental cars are still within a few 10th’s of the old leader-boards you know something is way, way wrong
That proves nothing. Some of the top drivers on those boards may run that board again and others not so much. Once the wipe occurs, it’s not like within a day or week that the top guys will rerun that board. In fact, some may not be motivated to because of what they feel is a waste of time to redo. In addition, I’d wager a lot of the top guys involved are taking part in the FRC and are too busy practicing to worry about a meaningless leaderboard.
Your best bet is to wait until after season 2 is done and the fellows get bored and rerun some of these boards.
There are NO cartoon physics involved that they have access to and you don’t. The only possible difference outside of skill is assist used, SIM steering, and controller deadzones settings especially for elite controllers.
As for placing only top 20%, the problem here is a massive skill gap. Theres no funny business though it may seem like it from being that far off pace. The good everyday driver is running top 1% or well within top 400-500 lap times every lap on busy leader boards where top 1% extends past 1,000 lap times.
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I sit in the top 1% comfortably and try to follow there ghosts just to see the optimal lines, braking points etc. Nothing impossible or cartoony that I can see. They just literally take the corners at the absolute maximum possible speeds. A lot more to a corner than lines however. Throttle control, pressing and releasing the brake at the right time, getting the car perfectly balanced. Without the car on that perfect spot you can not take the corner at the same speed.
Also, as odd as it sounds, the wheel is proven to be slower than the controller in Forza.
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Agree with the others. The top drivers will still be the top drivers even though they may have to change their lines a bit.
Nothing is going to change. Fast people will still be fast whether they are optimizing clean lines before or after the patch.
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Might not change the order much, but I do think it’ll shorten the gap a bit.
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Id expect the top guys to lose about 1-2 seconds depending on the track. Only if you are in this range to the top guys and never extend you might catch up. The amount of players benefiting from this should be miniscule. But of course it will make you feel better to now be only 6 seconds behind when it used to be 8. I very much welcome the new track limits, not because it brings me closer to the top, but it’s more realistic and the track limits are clearly defined now
One question I have is what happens to slipstreaming in races.
As it stands, slipstreaming another car guarantees that both cars have set a Dirty Lap, presumably so that race tactics don’t influence Leaderboards.
Now that times can only be registered in Time Attack, will this mean that the “invalidation of laps via slipstreaming” becomes a thing of the past?
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Multiplayer grid sorting can still happen by fastest clean lap/slowest dirty times, so it would be relevant for MP.
when it comes to racing the rentals it all comes down to the driver. you know those guys completing in the forzaRC are using controllers to steer and they are so smooth in the corners. they never upset the car. me, i am constantly on and off the steering cause i can’t seem hold a steering angle through the corner. with that said i am constantly upsetting the car and losing traction and time.
those guys are fast in any vehicle tuned or rental and regardless of the event…
Just posting this here as I’d posted my concerns in here earlier.
Asked & answered by T10.
Phew
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