How has gran turismo overtook forza in visual tuning?

I bought xbox one just to play Forza games, plus the rare Halo and Gears of War releases.

I play most stuff on my PS4, and I will definitely get a PS5 to keep playing new stuff PLUS GT7. If GT7 is really good, I see myself playing Forza less and less.

I’m old, pay for my own stuff, and been thru FH2 to 5 and FM4-5-6.
FM6 and FH pre 5 are great.
Passed on 7 because dress up and lost focus.
Was close to passing on FH5. Regret purchase. Drivatars and new physics not fun, bugs can be worked around. Service after sale is lame.
GT 7 or iracing prob in future. Meantime I’ll do chores and go back to older stuff. I track real stuff, and driving this is substitute for away from COTA time.
Thanks for overgeneralizing player base. Lol.

Very strange place we’ve found ourselves in. Over a decade ago Gran Turismo had 1000 car models of varying quality, from cutting edge to flat out garbage, with poor custoimzation at best. Forza came around as the racing game for “enthusiasts,” with a smaller amount of car models but higher quality and tons of customization options. Now they’ve switched places.

Obviously the franchise has made massive advancements across graphics, physics, audio, and the drifting suspension and stance updates were a godsend so its not like they’re disconnected from what the player base wants… However, the long term problems are getting more and more annoying with each release and for me the car roster is a point of contention (forza motorsport 2 era car models still being used, lacking customization, bugs that never get fixed, bloated car list, no exhaust customization, no window vinyls, Rocket Bunny gone, ect).

I just figured with an extra year of development time the R34 GT-R would actually get a new body kit, the CRX would get its sideskirts back and we’d have an updated laser scan for the S15 with something incredible like the Liberty Walk or Garage Mak widebodies (or both, a man can dream).

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Funny thing for me are some arguments from people who only watch youtube videos from GT7 and think that game will be great? Wasn’t it the same for FH5?

And yes, I wanted to buy a Xbox Series X too for FH5 though it runs on ultra on my PC. But as my old daddy had bought recently a 4K television set… the first two weeks with FH5 were great, but then, after finished with all the single player stuff and exploring the full excitement of the numereous bugs, glitches and exploits in this game, I was thankfull that my sister doesn’t wanted to help me with that X-Box All Access Service that is actually the only way to get your hands in germany on that console without being nuts spending 100% more than the official price tag.

So no Xbox Series X for me. Though I get a Xbox 360 and a Xbox One for the old Forza games, that were exclusivly for the xbox after playing FH3 & 4 as well as FM7 at the PC. But I have bought them used, so I was at 150 Euro including all the old Forza titles that were available in late 2019 for two consoles, two controllers and about 40 games including FH1 & 2 and FM1 - 6 with some addons.

Big plus for the Xbox Series X would have been for me the compatibilty with all the Xbox One games available - even the Xbox 360 game that run on the Xbox One would have been playable on the new generation. If I remember right the PS5 can handle only some of the PS4 games but not all of them.

So I really thought of buying even some used playstation for getting the Gran Turismo Experience, but the missing compatibility is quite a bummer - don’t feel to buy at least 3 or 4 consoles to play all the titles chronological…

Seriously? It’s because Horizon is based on Motorsport and horizon 5 is still running the old engine with some updates for the cars.

When motorsport 8 comes out horizon 6 will be on a modified version of THAT engine and will have updated cars and parts.

Plus body kits aren’t exactly as big as they used to be except in Japan.

Body kits are a big thing here in England too, huge in fact I make my living off fitting them and also fabrication if a client wants something unique and the demand for wide body kits ( or the no going back kits) has gone through the roof but I suppose a pencil skirt for men seems to be a big thing these days so go on forza you stay up to date.

This is because GT7 is building on top of GT Sport as well as bringing back fan favorite features. It could be all smoke and mirrors as seen with FH5, but I think a lot of people just wanted a better GT Sport with a proper single player mode and GT7 seems to be that. Also, GT7’s strengths seem to be areas where Forza lacks today like customization.

When it comes to backwards compatibility, the PS5 is compatible with the vast majority of PS4 games, but the XSX has better compatibility modes for various reasons:

  1. Xbox One X versions as opposed to PS4 Pro on the PS5
  2. FPS Boost on a select few games (less than I’d hoped, but still)
  3. X360 and classic Xbox compatbility, along with increased resolution in some titles (including FH1!)

I wish they gave more resources to Jason Ronald and his backwards compatibility team, because that’s what interests me the most in Xbox. I’m not really looking forward to Microsoft’s new games, even in light of their new acquisitions. After seeing Halo and FH5 as well as the heavy focus on Sea of Thieves, I know the company doesn’t appeal to my tastes.

There should be physics improvements, but graphically the XSX is already struggling with FH5 at 60 fps. Draw distance is ridiculously low, to the point you have obstacles randomly appearing on the track. Adding large map, more content in general will make it more difficult to maintain the graphics level, especially with the additional strain of a more detailed physics engine like FM is supposed to have.

I wouldn’t be surprised if many of the goodies in the new FM are toned down or even removed in FH6 because the console simply can’t handle it. One thing they wouldn’t want to sacrifice though is the way FM will handle the weather, which will be similar to how GT7 is doing it.

I think any racing game could win over a Forza game, if they don’t copy and paste. Horizon series has not made anything new after Horizon 2. Gran Turismo games are made with passion, enery new release they have moved forward and made something new, some like it, other don’t. But Forza games, stay the same, but new with less of what is importent. Horison games are king of good racing games, but there less and less racing for every release, insted of more.

Lets just say, at least you can actually choose what you want to race online, and the headlights actually work during night and the 24h cycle.

T10 is utterly garbage, lets be honest here. A bug with the headlights cannot be fixed in all this time, and we STILL cannot select what class and surface we want to race online. Cant wait to get on GT7 and play a game made by people that actually care.

Relax. You’ve seen trailers. Believe me when I say GT5 spent a decade in development and released broken and missing features it never got. Don’t be fooled by an insane Japanese man taking a decade to make a console racer. Turn 10/playground put out working and polished products just about annually.

Am I interested in gt7? You bet. Will I go all in again? Hell nah.

I remember GT5, bought a ps3 just for that game, and sold both 60 days later. But i think i stay clear of GT7, to Poly GT sport is a massive win, and GT7 may have singleplayer in focus, it might have a large part of the game to the online.

Expectations: GT7 will have engine swaps, full body kits for every single car, the best AI (Sophy) and will focus on single player with immersive carrier and proper progression.

Reality: GT7 will allow a few cars to do engine swaps, most cars will only have the rear wing option, the AI will have 3 difficulty options, rolling starts will remain, the carrier mode will consist in going to a track of your choice and pick any event available there with no context and the progression will be ruined the moment you decide to do the Licence Tests.
The only thing that will make a difference is Online Racing. The GT community is probably the best for Online Racing, but that was also the case for Sport.

The reason why I will not steer clear of GT7 and will preorder it is because I liked GT Sport and believe it’s a very solid foundation for a more ambitious game. I was not expecting to like it, given how the DS4 lacked haptic triggers and the game was thin in content, but what I found was a game that, after all the updates, was significantly better than its main competitor which was FM7. And I don’t think that FM7 could have reached the quality level of GT Sport if it had been supported through 2020 like GT Sport was.

Expectations: Forza Horizon 5 will have thousands of new upgrades and engine swaps, more customization than any Forza ever made, the biggest map yet, completely revamped physics and sounds, and many new ways to play.

Reality: Forza Horizon 5’s new upgrades are 99% transmission upgrades, the new engine swaps are the 6.7L V8 Diesel and Racing 3.0L I6 Turbo copypasted into hundreds of cars with a few sparse ones, the customization went backwards with the removal of Rocket Bunny, the map is bigger mainly because of the empty drift mountain, the desert and the dunes in the middle of it, the revamped physics are hit or miss and made drifting too easy, the sounds are overall worse except for the cars they showed in the previews, and most of the online features remain buggy 4 months into release.

The only thing that made a difference was the ease of getting Game Pass codes. The platform Forza Horizon 5 is native to is probably the most accessible. But that was also the case for FH4.

Nah, I’ll just buy both and enjoy two cakes lmao

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