The Nissan just absolutely destroys every other car with it’s massive downforce advantage. I suppose the only place it would be less viable is Le Mans, but every other track it just smokes everything.
Weirdly, I just had a similar experience, but with the MB #63. It was 4 secs faster than everything else at Mugello. Seems like this is a hopper that is highly track dependent. I honestly opened this thread expecting the complaints to be about it. It was dominating 75% of the races I took part in, in a high split lobby, though I’ve only done like 4 races in it today. Hakone was not one of them.
What was the fastest time in your Mugello race?
The top three qualified at 1:36.xx. The rest of the field were 1:40.xx and back. Finished like you’d imagine.
It’s not enough for me to say one way or the other. I thought it was going to be one of those situations that maybe the MB was faster but had heavier tire wear or something. But nope.
However, I tried to race at Silverstone, and wasn’t even CLOSE to the pace. The Nissan was far and away faster. (About 4 seconds, seemingly)
Holy crap!
Yeah, hard to argue with that!
The car’s PI is nearly 20 points higher than the others. Better driving skill and higher PI could contribute to the time difference.
Are these cars all maxed out PI-wise? If so that is a huge PI discrepancy.
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Not at all. But the Nissan is the only car in the game capable of 1600lb of downforce.
In real life it was a massive change and step up being a GTP car and the new development it saw, nearly all it’s rivals where out dated group c cars or lesser funded projects. I think only the Intrepid came close in downforce to the nissan.
So it is correct in wiping the floor from a downforce perspective but yeah however they have done the pi/builds for this hopper is a bit weird and does seem to make it car specific for certain tracks.
I don’t think any of the other cars we have in the game where competitive in period against it in America, Group C and GTP although similar period had some differences with GTP being a lot heavier on downforce while group c went the way of the F1 engine high speed cars that saw its slow and pitiful demise in the early 90’s.
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The Eagle Mk3 had more downforce than both.
There’s an interview with Geoff Brabham lamenting that NPTIs 3 second a lap improvement on the previous year was great, but the Toyotas were up by 5 seconds.
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That’s crazy lol. Must’ve had some different tires. The R91 blew a tire from having so much downforce.
Ah I must have missed that I know they ran well at Daytona but never really read much into them but that’s mad given how many issues the Toyota had from the forces.
Does the eagle have big downforce in Forza to.match the nissan?
Kinda want some of the odd ball gtps and even c2s in the game. Camel light cars where cool too. I’m getting distracted now
I still remember seeing the aftermath of one of the two chassis that ate it at Road Atlanta. The team had it on display at Del Mar to show off how sturdy the cockpit design was.
The Eagle was revolutionary in that all the air producing front end downforce through the tunnels was pushed to the side, giving the rear downforce producing bits nearly 100% clean air. It allowed AAR to run ridiculous levels of downforce in the rear without sacrificing front end grip (reportedly 10k lbs of downforce total at 200 mph).
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Not sure how the Toyota compares to the Nissan in-game. IRL, those things were insanely fast. Jaguar’s XJR14 did an ok job of giving Toyota some trouble briefly, but Toyota ended up winning something like 13 races in a row between 92 & 93.
Here are the max downforce values for every car in Group C.
Nissan R91CP: 1,310 F - 1,653 R
Toyota Eagle: 1,102 F - 1,653 R
Aston Martin: 551 F - 1,020 R
Mazda 787b: 551 F - 965 R
Porsche 962C: 540 F - 1,091 R
Nissan GTP: 510 F - 1,144 R
Peugeot 905C: 452 F - 965 R
Mercedes C9: 435 F - 1,372 R
Jaguar XJR-9: 397 F - 1,111 R
Jaguar XJR-5: 276 F - 303 R
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I picked the Nissan R91CP cause I’m a Nissan fan, didn’t even consider its performance. I thought the Sauber would dominate with its much stronger acceleration.
Based on the downforce stats, you can clearly see the difference in philosophy with the Peugeot and Mazda for example targetting Le Mans while the US GTP cars had much higher downforce. Basically, there are 2 or 3 classes in this class, no wonder it’s unbalanced. Once again.
Turns out the cars are not stock.
Some of them are massively upgraded (Nissan: Weight Reduction, Wider Tires), while others are severely downgraded (Porsche: Added restrictor plate)
They really did ruin any sort of balance Group C could’ve had.
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How are these cars still unbalanced when Turn 10 have 3 different performance balancing systems they can use:
- PI
- Spec Builds
- Grip/Power Handicaps
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That’s not an exaggeration. I played with hornet 2 times and always came in second on MB, 3-4 seconds apart, 4999. Other good players on Nissan also always won.
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The Mazda 787B underperformance for good and it’s vankel engine was no joke. The Nissan is fine upgrade to the top and it got a massive acceleration advantage over the other cars, beside the massive downforce avaible. Yeah, again very belanced event Turn 10, what about some pay to win cars in the future?