What is this? Review, critique, rant, rage or sadness, disappointment? All of them a bit.
There was a game. It wasn’t only a game, an experience you felt, enjoyed. Forza Motorsport 1. It wasn’t the graphics that kept you, but the whole driving and racing experience. We thought that’s the point that is the limit, after Forza Motorsport 2. The damages, tracks, cars, all was amazing, and they made a bigger with Forza Motorsport 3. Lot of tracks, places, like Switzerland, London, Italy, Brooklyn Bridge race? The rain effects was perfect, the damage physics amazing, the difficulty was changed as you wanted, everything was just perfect. Channels with different music styles in races, special achievements, and the ability to buy unlocked designs from the design owners. How many custom designs I ordered that time, with special personal requests, farming races to get the 2-4 million credits to buy the car in return for the design I asked. It was an amazing system, worked perfectly. In single player people happily used all kind of, even adult livery too. Forza 4. That was the top. The garage, the intros for cars, the viewable favorite cars, all was great. Even with making the difficulty higher in races, and less friendly for beginners. But from Forza Motorsport 5, while we got new things, even sometimes didn’t notice, how they started to remove loved features. Gifting, the difficulty customization, some tracks, car brands, and the music. Slowly for some evolved, but for long time fans it went down, falling with every titles more into the arcade darkness. I tried Forza Horizon too. It was fun, and challenging, but something changed. From Forza Horizon 4. The story missions was soo hard, we needed video solution for every of them. While hard, Drift club was still doable, but the developers see that way they need rivalry with NFS, Crew. They went overboard. Not just still PR stunt drift zones is too much, is too hard too. I still can’t beat the S bend drift with 90k, tried for weeks, and same with dirt drifts, some of them. 2? But still, you can’t get that 100% because you don’t finish it. But why? Why was needed to put these drifts in it, especially if someone don’t like to drift. Drift club was enough experience. And the difficulty of AI. No comments. The only time I turn up is the season races. Yet they turning up the difficulty again and again. Forza Horizon 5 is not different, only 2x more harder. Casual players have no chance. But. We arrive to FM8. They titled it Forza Motorsport. Just to kill the classic one’s prestige? Sadly yes, but don’t run that fast. 6 years of making, -2 years of Covid still 4 years. I was excited. FM, finally something that makes every failure just a bad dream. No. We get lot of cars, but how many of them 2020+? Not even a quarter. We got 20 tracks, most of them US. I know, I know, US racing is important and all, but when I get only 20 tracks I don’t look forward to get 10 American tracks. But ok, let’s move on the cars. First I thought, hey, this system is interesting. But no. It’s terrible. RPG with cars, you feel you just got a new mobile racing game. They made the unlocks need less levels, but at the same time they don’t give us enough point to even unlock the tuning parts that is mandatory if you want to race. In real racing they don’t even allow you to race without them. Yet, I can’t even use a racing tires, need to race in factory tires. Great. Aw, and how many of you noticed, they nerfed the the progress of car level up? It’s much longer now to get next level. But ok. Or not. The parts you can use before reach car hp limit is very limited. Ok, it seems a very professional racing sim. Then get liveries. Yeah. No unlocks, no gifting. No car auctions. Liveries for some reason don’t want to load up from other Forza games, and still no way to check a design before download it. Great. Then go to race… Oh, there is not too much racing series, but jump on it. Cool, rules, and 8 difficulty. Yeah. It’s broken now update 2.0. the rules just make you to get avoidable contact penalty from 2,5 seconds to 5 seconds. Both in offline or online race. Car braking suddenly before you, you can’t stop car in time, crash, penalty, if unlucky car damaged too. Difficulty. Some tracks difficulty 4-5 still doable, but 6-8 is impossible, AI just flies away from you. But on some tracks, you lose even with difficulty 3. I lost every single time on vintage career race at Mid Ohio, if I tried more than difficulty 2. The AI. I still remember the lot of fun races in the past. The AI, as I call, “mobile game AI” is terrible. I call it, because I see only in mobile games this issue/type of AI. They are blind. They can’t see the player, no matter where we are, what we do. Using full rules is out of questions. Because at T2-3 you lose the race. If you lucky you got 1,5-2s penalty for being pushed out buy crazy AI and while you go back on track you already at P15+, the P1 already have 12-15s time on you. You lost the race because the 4 laps not enough to get them. Then enjoy the view…Oh man. Tracks using same scenery elements, I can’t feel I racing in different countries at all. The Sun. In 2.0 just got worse. Now even 3rd person view it’s blinding, and in cockpit view if I’d see a nuclear blast. Not just saying. Multiple times I lost my eyesight for minutes, and was able to recover fully after hours. Idk, if this only a Cloud game issue, but even after doctors warned T10 about this damager with my help, no any steps against it at all from the devs, while it’s clear this risking a big court case if evolves more. But forget that. The cars looks great now with Update 2.0, that’s true. Ok, more or less looks great. Improvement. But why we don’t get at least broken mirrors with crashes? That’s not that hard to do. Night… I still so mad, why they made lights almost everywhere on tracks!? Why?? It’s the real challenge in night drive, as in 24h series, you can’t see clearly everywhere! That’s the hardest part. Killed in game with putting spotlights and all kind of lights everywhere. Great. About tracks. Where is the Nürburgring full track??? It’s the same fame as Le Mans 24 track. Yet it’s not in the game. Why?? But ok. Let’s listen some… No music at all!? Why everyone thinking I’m able to listen music from YouTube while playing game? It makes lags. A lot. Ok, let’s hear the… Lawnmowers, drills, and other kind of machines, because the cars don’t have engine sounds at all. Just listen the 1971 Nissan for example in cockpit view. As if you’d use a motorized saw. Terrible… But there must be a fun part, not? I searched panicking if there is something else. Multiplayer… Aw… The rammers with this new method, you just want to run away. And chat? No, no hang out places, you can chat in races, that’s a big no, I never like to typing while driving, it’s even terrible the devs teaching this thing to players. Voice chat. I had very bad experience with loud music making me crash and all stuff, so it’s a very big no for me. But finish a racing series… No rewards at all. No car rewards, or any trophy, nothing. Ok podium animation is a big plus, that’s true, I don’t ignore that. But… While I get P1 in the whole series, there is no animation or podium for doing it. Nothing at all. That’s the problem. After these things, I gave up. Forza series died. For me at least. I suffered for years to see the series will arise and will get to the top, as the racing sim of all, but failed, so hard, Forza is only a game, not sim anymore. I was waiting for Update 2.0, so it’s ,maybe give me something to stay. Because before update 2.0, one day I got into argument with my friend again over GT7. He said forget Xbox till I watch just one video. Ok. But only one video. “27 insane details in Gran Turismo 7”. I lost my words after it. While inside I was crying, where is these kind of details and professionalism, enthusiasm, and effort, dedicated work from Turn10 and MS in the Forza games?? I’m just a PS fan? Maybe I’m now. But I wasn’t that, I was a die hard Forza fan from the beginning, and Xbox player always, the only PS I had was PS2. But now I admit my defeat, and even with the lot of money for bad advertisements and rates, with effort sponsoring GT players to advertise FM (don’t say what’s this really), GT7 still gets all of the things I wanted to see in FM. Museum, unique cars, lot of tracks, races, daily and weekly races, championships, hang out places in multiplayer and ability to upload own liveries even from PC. I respect every single player, who playing FM, and still wish them to get the fun, the experience they wanted from it. For me, Forza can’t give that anymore. So sadly, truly sad from the bottom of my heart… Goodbye Forza.
Sorry, while admitting to not read even your 2nd and 3rd sentence. You need to work on formatting and spacing. Not many will ready this great wall of text.
English is not my native language. So yeah, it’s highly possible what you say.
Sounds like you need to learn how to be more open and worldly. Its obvious they are not a native English speaker. You have even made mistakes in your ridiculous and needless comment. This is not FB
His comment is not ridiculous at all, when i see a wall of text I just skip, I don’t think it was in OP intentions.
I’m Italian
I’d suggest editiing it. Just splitting it up into parragraphs makes reading it much easier, it’s easier to keep track of the line you’re reading when you can see the spaces.
I’ve had enough! I’m a fan of racing and forza but my patience is running out! Against stupid people in multiplayer mode. You can’t seriously race them. everyone hits everyone else. This is not normal and I am disappointed. the penalty system is too small. accounts should be blocked for such driving. I am very sorry but I will resign from Forza Motorsport. I didn’t think I’d say this…
I lost my S rating from being rammed into other people and knocked off track, resulting in collision and off track penalties. So now I don’t even qualify. I just attack this or that corner keeping my time down in practice. Then watch everyone screw up turn 1-3 smashing and running off track. After that I settle in and can mostly race my race. Usually get in top 10 and focus on only racing myself trying to match or improve my time. Even then sometimes you still get that rammer in like 6th or 7th trying to win even though he is 10 seconds or more behind 1st.
This was also my last Forza game.
Horizon 5 was just boring because you was the first 5 minutes in the game and you got gift bombed with high tier cars. I dont want thos hyper cars… Also the Story was too short.
Motorsport 8 (23)… You all know whats all wrong here. Just a hand full tracks and cars, car level system instead of driver level system, bad handling system, the damage model system is nearly not present (There are just some small scratch)… I drove with 150 into a wall and all i saw was just some small scratch on the front bumber… What the *
The most I will do is maybe me !!! watch future Forza games via Gamepass. But neither Playground Games nor Turn 10 get any money from me anymore!
I wonder if anyone from Forza support is even interested in such problems, because I look at the game and not just the graphics. I want to compete at the level. If Microsoft doesn’t do anything about it, every serious gamer will abandon the game in favor of Assetto Corsa or others like it. In Forza multiplayer, everyone does whatever they want, even going in the opposite direction and destroying everything. Microsoft should seriously consider this. A 4 second penalty should kick you off the server, and if it repeats for example 5 more times you will be banned
T10 interested in our problems with game… lol
i play forza for over 16 years and posted on the forum with fm3 -4 fm7 and now fm8 and they never listened .
i was even banned for the forum mutiple times , just because i spoke the truth and i hurted there satisfaction score.
this is how T10 solves there problems , delete your post or ban you off the forum
i tell you a story for example:
on fm6 people started ramming with new dlc cars like the range rover sport cadilliac limo etc etc .
i paid for the dlc to use those cars in multiplayer but i couldnt cause they banned all heavy cars except the land rover defender (suv) and tesla.
so i paid for the range rover sport . mercedes tankpool truck, cadilliac limo , and a jeep suv thing… but i couldnt use them cause they where banned of the online lobbies cause people use them for ramming/
so i said why not ban the ramming people instead of the cars ?? thread got deleted after 3 replys.
in fm3 or fm4 they to banned dlc cars but cant find wich… (was looking at dlc and taught it was the bone shaker but it never appeared in fm3 or fm4)
with fm7 i said the physics where horrible (wich they are worst forza ever) and got told i was just not a good driver (eventough i am top 20 in the world on fm6 on 3 tracks) and just got banned off the forum 
It’s really hard to read a text in such unformatted form. More readable text means that more people will actually read it.
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What is this? Review, critique, rant, rage or sadness, disappointment? All of them a bit.
There was a game. It wasn’t only a game, an experience you felt, enjoyed. Forza Motorsport 1. It wasn’t the graphics that kept you, but the whole driving and racing experience. We thought that’s the point that is the limit, after Forza Motorsport 2. The damages, tracks, cars, all was amazing, and they made a bigger with Forza Motorsport 3. Lot of tracks, places, like Switzerland, London, Italy, Brooklyn Bridge race? The rain effects was perfect, the damage physics amazing, the difficulty was changed as you wanted, everything was just perfect. Channels with different music styles in races, special achievements, and the ability to buy unlocked designs from the design owners. How many custom designs I ordered that time, with special personal requests, farming races to get the 2-4 million credits to buy the car in return for the design I asked. It was an amazing system, worked perfectly. In single player people happily used all kind of, even adult livery too.
Forza 4. That was the top. The garage, the intros for cars, the viewable favorite cars, all was great. Even with making the difficulty higher in races, and less friendly for beginners. But from Forza Motorsport 5, while we got new things, even sometimes didn’t notice, how they started to remove loved features. Gifting, the difficulty customization, some tracks, car brands, and the music. Slowly for some evolved, but for long time fans it went down, falling with every titles more into the arcade darkness.
I tried Forza Horizon too. It was fun, and challenging, but something changed. From Forza Horizon 4. The story missions was soo hard, we needed video solution for every of them. While hard, Drift club was still doable, but the developers see that way they need rivalry with NFS, Crew. They went overboard. Not just still PR stunt drift zones is too much, is too hard too. I still can’t beat the S bend drift with 90k, tried for weeks, and same with dirt drifts, some of them. 2? But still, you can’t get that 100% because you don’t finish it. But why? Why was needed to put these drifts in it, especially if someone don’t like to drift. Drift club was enough experience.
And the difficulty of AI. No comments. The only time I turn up is the season races. Yet they turning up the difficulty again and again. Forza Horizon 5 is not different, only 2x more harder. Casual players have no chance.
But. We arrive to FM8. They titled it Forza Motorsport. Just to kill the classic one’s prestige? Sadly yes, but don’t run that fast. 6 years of making, -2 years of Covid still 4 years. I was excited. FM, finally something that makes every failure just a bad dream. No. We get lot of cars, but how many of them 2020+? Not even a quarter. We got 20 tracks, most of them US. I know, I know, US racing is important and all, but when I get only 20 tracks I don’t look forward to get 10 American tracks.
But ok, let’s move on the cars. First I thought, hey, this system is interesting. But no. It’s terrible. RPG with cars, you feel you just got a new mobile racing game. They made the unlocks need less levels, but at the same time they don’t give us enough point to even unlock the tuning parts that is mandatory if you want to race. In real racing they don’t even allow you to race without them. Yet, I can’t even use a racing tires, need to race in factory tires. Great.
Aw, and how many of you noticed, they nerfed the progress of car level up? It’s much longer now to get next level. But ok. Or not. The parts you can use before reach car hp limit is very limited. Ok, it seems a very professional racing sim.
Then get liveries. Yeah. No unlocks, no gifting. No car auctions. Liveries for some reason don’t want to load up from other Forza games, and still no way to check a design before download it. Great.
Then go to race… Oh, there is not too much racing series, but jump on it. Cool, rules, and 8 difficulty. Yeah. It’s broken now update 2.0. the rules just make you to get avoidable contact penalty from 2,5 seconds to 5 seconds. Both in offline or online race. Car braking suddenly before you, you can’t stop car in time, crash, penalty, if unlucky car damaged too. Difficulty. Some tracks difficulty 4-5 still doable, but 6-8 is impossible, AI just flies away from you. But on some tracks, you lose even with difficulty 3. I lost every single time on vintage career race at Mid Ohio, if I tried more than difficulty 2.
The AI. I still remember the lot of fun races in the past. The AI, as I call, “mobile game AI” is terrible. I call it, because I see only in mobile games this issue/type of AI. They are blind. They can’t see the player, no matter where we are, what we do. Using full rules is out of questions. Because at T2-3 you lose the race. If you lucky you got 1,5-2s penalty for being pushed out buy crazy AI and while you go back on track you already at P15+, the P1 already have 12-15s time on you. You lost the race because the 4 laps not enough to get them. Then enjoy the view…Oh man. Tracks using same scenery elements, I can’t feel I racing in different countries at all.
The Sun. In 2.0 just got worse. Now even 3rd person view it’s blinding, and in cockpit view if I’d see a nuclear blast. Not just saying. Multiple times I lost my eyesight for minutes, and was able to recover fully after hours. Idk, if this only a Cloud game issue, but even after doctors warned T10 about this damager with my help, no any steps against it at all from the devs, while it’s clear this risking a big court case if evolves more. But forget that. The cars looks great now with Update 2.0, that’s true. Ok, more or less looks great. Improvement. But why we don’t get at least broken mirrors with crashes? That’s not that hard to do.
Night… I still so mad, why they made lights almost everywhere on tracks!? Why?? It’s the real challenge in night drive, as in 24h series, you can’t see clearly everywhere! That’s the hardest part. Killed in game with putting spotlights and all kind of lights everywhere. Great.
About tracks. Where is the Nürburgring full track??? It’s the same fame as Le Mans 24 track. Yet it’s not in the game. Why?? But ok. Let’s listen some… No music at all!? Why everyone thinking I’m able to listen music from YouTube while playing game? It makes lags. A lot. Ok, let’s hear the… Lawnmowers, drills, and other kind of machines, because the cars don’t have engine sounds at all. Just listen the 1971 Nissan for example in cockpit view. As if you’d use a motorized saw. Terrible…
But there must be a fun part, not? I searched panicking if there is something else. Multiplayer… Aw… The rammers with this new method, you just want to run away. And chat? No, no hang out places, you can chat in races, that’s a big no, I never like to typing while driving, it’s even terrible the devs teaching this thing to players. Voice chat. I had very bad experience with loud music making me crash and all stuff, so it’s a very big no for me.
But finish a racing series… No rewards at all. No car rewards, or any trophy, nothing. Ok podium animation is a big plus, that’s true, I don’t ignore that. But… While I get P1 in the whole series, there is no animation or podium for doing it. Nothing at all. That’s the problem.
After these things, I gave up. Forza series died. For me at least. I suffered for years to see the series will arise and will get to the top, as the racing sim of all, but failed, so hard, Forza is only a game, not sim anymore. I was waiting for Update 2.0, so it’s, maybe give me something to stay. Because before update 2.0, one day I got into argument with my friend again over GT7. He said forget Xbox till I watch just one video. Ok. But only one video. “27 insane details in Gran Turismo 7”. I lost my words after it. While inside I was crying, where is these kind of details and professionalism, enthusiasm, and effort, dedicated work from Turn10 and MS in the Forza games?? I’m just a PS fan? Maybe I’m now. But I wasn’t that, I was a die hard Forza fan from the beginning, and Xbox player always, the only PS I had was PS2. But now I admit my defeat, and even with the lot of money for bad advertisements and rates, with effort sponsoring GT players to advertise FM (don’t say what’s this really), GT7 still gets all of the things I wanted to see in FM. Museum, unique cars, lot of tracks, races, daily and weekly races, championships, hang out places in multiplayer and ability to upload own liveries even from PC.
I respect every single player, who playing FM, and still wish them to get the fun, the experience they wanted from it. For me, Forza can’t give that anymore. So sadly, truly sad from the bottom of my heart… Goodbye Forza.
In Forza Motorsport multiplayer it is truly pathological and childish! It’s a really good game, but multiplayer kills such a good game
I got banned for ten years after the release of Forza 5. I ripped into them so hard.
I am stealth ripping here as much as I can. This game is a shoddy mess and some people need to stand up apologize and annouce their clearly mapped out intentions to fix the game.
gg , than i was a bit to soft in my negative comments , that i was allowed after 4 years agian 
I must literally be the only person complaining that there aren’t enough old cars haha, if the car list was 1/4 2020-2023 I wouldn’t touch it with a 10ft pole. The issue I have is that there are more cars from 2017 than the entire 1920s-1960s. Yawn.
Turn 10. Thank you for the wonderful pathological and children’s multiplayer. You can’t play. You can’t make the game be perceived as a serious race. You have no control over what happens in multiplayer mode. I just said thank you and I was a Forza fan. It’s time to ride somewhere else. Greetings to everyone who has a similar opinion, and that’s probably most of you.