Ghost Lap, Not ghost Lobbies!

[FV_LunaticLevi]

I don’t agree with more ghost lobbies but I do have a great alternative idea!

First of all add another lap to the tracks that need it. IE road America, silver stone, Sebring,etc (the ring too please in b class

Then add another lap to EVERY track and make the first lap a ghost lap.

When racers cross the finish line onto lap two the car solidifies and it becomes a real race!

This solves: off the line destruction caused by drivetrain differences, tune/build differences EX FWD launch vs AWD and speed vs accelerate tunes etc etc

This also solves first corner chaos, and will hopefully deter crashers from committing to an entire race of destruction. If they have to do an entire lap in their POS tunes just to crash people, I think they’d be less likely!

This creates: A much more entertaining lobby where people who want to race in collision lobbies still have an opportunity to bump and grind without the chaos of the rough starts and first turn destruction!

OR alternatively Create separate Pinnacle and Elite public lobbies, and then merge the lower classes into one group!

[Dadiodude]

The start and first lap of a race is massively important. Making up a few places off the line and through the first few corners is really what motor racing is all about. I understand why you’d like it ghosted but for me it would completely neuter the game. What we need is a way to deal with idiots (in this and other games) and not something that spoils the game for everyone.

[sdwaltz30]

Nah.

If you’re average like me, you count on the crashes in front of you to get into a reasonable position and stay there

[ooPAYNEoo]

It’s not the first time I heard this idea and similar.

But yeah… maybe the ghosting thing is really avoiding the issue.
Is it possible that simply adding more laps will weed out a lot of the bad stuff that happens, and provide a chance for you to recuperate if bad stuff does happen?

I mean, T10, it’s worth testing. I wonder if they should at least try some of these suggestions that everyone are bringing up here. I don’t mean like next year, but like tonight, or tmrw, for like a week, actually try some of these solutions. If they don’t work, fine…

[PJTierney]

I respectfully disagree, as I don’t believe the ghosting resolves the problem, it only hides it.

I’ll quote from the other thread:

@PJTierney

I don’t think having more Ghost Leagues is the solution, but rather that players get educated on what it means to be a clean racer. The only way I can think of to get that message across is to have more detailed tips on the loading screen between each race.

Here’s a good example from Grand Theft Auto Online. I’m sure something similar in a Forza styling would {a} make players pay attention before a Multiplayer Race and {b} encourage them to try out the tips in their next race, resulting in cleaner racing overall.

Also, this is a very good analysis of what usually happens in a Hopper. Again, racecraft education can help:

@Outlier

I also don’t find many online races where people are ramming you on purpose. At least not at first. Instead I do find is that most of the racers in public lobbies don’t have much online racing experience and just don’t know who to drive in close proximity. As a result, those in the middle and back of the grid try to use their hot lap brake points when the cars in front are slowing down earlier and they are unable to stop in time. Then throw in a number of inexperienced drivers that are trying to run their normal racing line through turn 1 where cars are 2 and sometimes 3 wide and the collisions multiply.

I’ve observed this to be the cause of most turn 1 pile ups that I’ve seen as well as many pile ups later in the race. The racers who get taken out are immediately frustrated and do whatever they can to get back on the track ASAP and almost always drive straight into traffic causing another pile up. The cars at the back of the grid don’t want to let the guys out front run away with the race so instead of slowing down they try to push through causing more collisions and the frustration builds.

In most cases when the field spreads out, I find people calm down but occasionally I find someone (likely fueled by frustration and a misunderstanding of many early collisions) decides to start ramming people on purpose. But more often than not, it seems like inexperience to me.

When I say “inexperienced”, I don’t mean they are slow. Often there are very fast drivers who have developed their skill through rivals and the career mode but have never experienced good clean private league racing so have never learned how to drive safely with others. I don’t know how this can be fixed unless Turn 10 figured out a way to reward drivers for driving clean in close proximity to others or possibly penalize those that don’t???

More ghost lobbies are certainly not going to teach others how to drive safely with others.

[S1LVERFOX68]

The quote above from Outlier is spot on, especially the bit about “a misunderstanding of earlier collisions” or what i call the “revenge takedown” mentality - think Burnout. Poor racecraft and inexperience of sharing a track with others causes more collisions than the odd wrecker from my experience.

That GTA online idea is good. I can remember the info trails on the FM3 loading screens a lot better than the current ones, they just seemed more prominent. Those GTA screenshots can’t be missed.

I’m not against the ghost lap idea totally but just think there may be other less drastic options which put together might have the same end result. Take some ideas from those who do organised racing. One example is that they don’t start a race on cold tyres. No, i’m not suggesting a warm up lap just lets all start on warm tyres in multiplayer.

A multiplayer wishlist thread would be good to put some of these ideas to the test and give T10 something to go at from the experience of those of us racing online

[deadlycowpat95]

So what you’re saying is you want the fastest guys to run away immediately, the entire field to spread and kill any chance of a proper race?

No thanks.

[AKRA1X]

@deadlycowpat95

So what you’re saying is you want the fastest guys to run away immediately, the entire field to spread and kill any chance of a proper race?

No thanks.

Proper racing has qualifying. This separate the slower drivers from the faster drivers. They do this because it makes better race. It aldo makes for safer racing.
Not to sound elitist, but I want to be group up with drivers of similar speed. Not stuck behind somebody that not going to give a good race.

[HLR_Juggernaut]

@deadlycowpat95

So what you’re saying is you want the fastest guys to run away immediately, the entire field to spread and kill any chance of a proper race?

No thanks.

And how many car/driver combos would cross the line at the same time… I haven’t done too many ghost lobbies, just enough that I have noticed that I don’t like them. and there is very often cars racing inside eachothers even after couple laps.

[AKRA1X]

@HLR_Juggernaut

@deadlycowpat95

So what you’re saying is you want the fastest guys to run away immediately, the entire field to spread and kill any chance of a proper race?

No thanks.

And how many car/driver combos would cross the line at the same time… I haven’t done too many ghost lobbies, just enough that I have noticed that I don’t like them. and there is very often cars racing inside eachothers even after couple laps.

I don’t that it would be a big problem. Players would continue to be ghost until they separate. Just like in big wrecks where everyone is on top of each other.

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