So apparently people are opening tickets against the top drivers becasue of the chicane at monza. It’s not our faults, it’s T10 for not fixing the tracks properly. What ever is clean is clean. Yeah I would not cut the chicane but if everyone else is doing it then we all have to. The rules on the site are a little vague, and I’m hoping someone from T10 or esl can confirm this to get an official word. I assume the rules only apply to the races it’s self and not the rival events. I think this because if you look back at Formula E, when they did Long beach east everyone took the dirty line that was clean if you hit it right. (Cutting over the curb at the 1st corner) I’m just going to wait a little bit to set my lap and see how things pan out
Update: For those who don’t want to read through this whole thread, I copy and pasted Mechbergs response to the situation -
#122 Posted : 2 days ago
Hi folks,
I wanted to let you know that we’ve been following this thread closely and that we do recognize the issues that players have brought up with Monza being used in qualifying for Week 1 of the ForzaRC. While our goal was to bring this track back into competitive use with our recent content update, clearly there is more work to be done. With that in mind, I’d like to apologize for any frustration this has caused.
To be clear, we will be using the track limits as defined in Forza Motorsport 6 for our qualifying Rivals events. However, for this weekend’s Week 1 Cup and Week 1 Showdown events with ESL, we will be running a different track – the Nürburgring GP.
I’m here with you… im ashamed I’ve done it too… never done it before on rivals or online but this is a competition and as slow and bad a driver i am im in it to win it and if people are adapting to this error then I don’t see why I can’t. I know it’s not the moral thing to do but morals won’t get me qualified unfortunately.
T10 certainly can’t stay quiet on this one. If they allow the cut they’re going to have to say so publically and just take it on the chin when they receive thousands of protests and complaints from people who don’t want to cut it, and if they disallow it they’re going to have to wipe the board so that those who already cut it can go back and set a time without cutting.
It’s a total mess, and it’s mind-boggling that they’ve got themselves into this mess after having the same problem with the same track during the Trofeo season.
It should be if they don’t have the manpower to view each replay to see if you have at least 2 tires on the track at all times (TORA “THEONLINERACINGASSOCIATION.COM” has done this successfully) then ask the community to do it for you by reporting it to a turn 10 member but it’s also very sad that turn 10 members are also running it this way so basically saying screw all clean racers
[Mod Edit - Abbreviated profanity, profanity and profanity that is disguised but still alludes to the words are not permitted - D]. I thought how it was setup is cool but now that I know that everyone is cheating I and I assume quite a few people will just not try. Turn 10 can you just send us our '71 GTHO and give the car to whoever normally wins and start over?
If Forza allowes some corners at Monza to be cut and still count as a clean lap,
isn’t that a contradiction on what the ESL rules state?
2.11. Race Etiquette
Race etiquette rules will be enforced in all Elite Series matches. Intentional damage including, but not limited to, ringing, faking, pitting, obstruction of other vehicles, ramming, and cutting tracks may result in immediate forfeit of participation and prizing for a period of 12 months.
The violation of race etiquette will be at the sole determination of Turn 10 and ESL with a valid replay.
Just watched the replay, I can’t belive how much you can take. I’m going to be doing the cuts until I hear otherwise from an official source.
This really does throw a shadow of doubt over the whole tournament. Most people will be under the impression just as I am that these cuts are clean and can be used in a race. I need to read the rules on esl but if it says that you can’t cut as appose to 2 wheels on the track at all times then technically these are not cuts. Can anyone clarify this?
All in all a bad start to ForzaRC
Just read the post above mine so technically these are not cuts and can be used in the race as they are clean lines…Oh dear
TL:DR, “I know im a cheater but the game says its okay so i’ll do it”
For real, go and run an actual race event in the real world and see how quick you get penalties, fines and then your license stripped for being a cheat.
People saying it would be too hard to police are right, but if everyone raced fairly and didn’t purposely exploit track limits, it would be far easier to view to top replays and disqualify those that do.
Sets a bad precedent for forza when they stream the finals and everyone that got there knowingly exploited the game to do so.
Also, go take a look at some clips of the video from the IMSA race at COTA on the Motorsport Facebook page. IMSA decided they weren’t going to police track limits, so people ran as wide as they wanted - sometimes 3-4 car widths outside the limits. If that’s not a prime example of an organizer deciding what is allowed, then I don’t know what is.
I’m sorry, but the notion of “why can’t everyone just race clean” is extremely, hilariously idealistic for a video game where there are no real punishments. You must live in fantasy land if you think people will drive by their principles alone. If there is an exploit which can save a significant amount of time, no matter how many people claim to be against it, someone will use it, and that alone is enough to justify everyone else doing it. Your “principles” mean nothing in a situation that was caused by developer error, if you’re that angry about it you can contact Turn 10 yourself.
Btw, as a disclaimer I am not participating the Forza RC, so I am not taking a side here. I’m just pointing out how silly it is to expect everyone to restrain themselves.
Maybe they should have picked a track you can’t “cleanly” exploit. It unfortunate but if the game calls it clean I would guess it is. Really doesn’t matter for most of us who can’t get top 128 times anyway. “Clean” exploit or not lol
You shouldn’t do it if you know it isn’t right anyways. Those who stay on the track, kudos to you all. You are the true racers here. Doing it fast while staying in line. Love it.
Those who take advantage of a developers’ mistake, shame on you. If you truly believe you are the fastest while cutting on a closed track while the system says it’s clean, then you are WRONG. It doesn’t matter if the system says it’s a clean lap; you know very well that you are not playing the way the game was made to be.
Geez. I need to apply to be a moderator. Imho, those who cheat must be banned from the championship. I cannot stand seeing such poor sportsmanship. OFF WITH YOUR HEADS!! No 2017 Ford Focus RS for you!! (Lol. Not to take it to those extremes, but seriously.)
As for you players who see another player cheating, don’t fall for the peer pressure and follow the track. Don’t be swayed into cheating just because so and so did that. Although the other won because he made an illegal shortcut, you will know who truly won if you take the correct path. And that is what I believe counts the most.
As for you, T10, I do hope you fix this quick! Let’s remove the fouls off the track!
I’m just as annoyed as anyone else here over the blatant unsporting nature of this “competition” but we can’t blame the players. With big prizes at stake, if your good at exploiting loopholes and cheating then human nature dictates you’ll go for it.
The game shouldn’t be this way, blame the developers. This game has a huge budget, massive profit and has been out long enough now to iron out these creases, there’s no excuse for this.
Unfortunately it is what it is. I don’t see them patching the track and wiping the leader board to fix it right now. the only thing I can see being viable is going through the replays of the top 128 and forfeiting anyone seen cutting at the end of qualifying. But I don’t see that happening either.
Is not about being able to read each the top 128. Is about the principle. Basically saying cheating is acceptable. How hard is dirty any lap where more than two wheels are outside the white lines?
Peoblem would be highly mitigated.
This is true, because if you were not able to cut the results would still be the same. And apparently from hearing nothing can be done about it. What’s clean is clean.
Project Cars invalidate every lap that you cross over the track limits which is not confirming your lap time to leader board and the game is extremely more realistic in this matter and just because one organization allows it does that mean all the others are going to do so as well? I highly think Indy NASCAR won’t be allowing this as they have done so much to be totally against it so once again cheaters always prosper according to turn 10