So i had this thought about this topic for a bit wich popped up again after (i believe) the previous update (19) revealed that both Super Trofeo Huracans and the 488 Challenge car would be removed from the FGT3 lobbies from there on and put in their respective division.
Let’s go back in time because this “problem” isn’t new.
On release of Forza Motorsport 2023, we all remember the wild west that the Forza GT class featuring the GT3s and GTEs we all know and love but controversially also V8 supercars and the SCV12 and the modern trans-ams. Understandbly, this caused quite the uproar and eventually would result in a total split of the classes that we now have with some cars individually being added or removed from any of the GT classes.
With the 488 challenge and super trofeo huracans being the latest cases of this, I thought it could make for an interesting conversation about what non GT3 cars, on paper, we could allow into the FGT3 races. I do think there’s a case to make for this because if (and that’s of course a big if) we at some point get all of the current GT3 brands represented in the game… Where do we go from there? Just let the class be for what it is? Do we spice it up with some left field choices?
For me, i think there can be made a very good argument to open up our restrictiveness (in more aspects then one) for this class, for a few reasons :
•While the Super Trofeos, 488 challenge and KTM GT2 are non-GT3s, these cars do race against GT3s in national and regional series worldwide in a unified class. You often also find unhomoligated GT3 cars like the G55 Ginetta you may have seen in some other games! Maybe a rebranding to “Forza GT Open” could go along with that.
•Super GT, a series many of you know and love is very well known for featuring a diverse range of racecars with the GT300 class obviously being the standout! In this class, a few “homemade GT3s” build under the JAF GT300 ruleset and in the past also the Mother Chassis cars race against normal FIA group GT3 cars since GT3 was allowed in. Remember the wild Toyota Prius that raced in that series? That raced against then period GT3s!
•On a different note, i think as long as the international homoligation for a GT3 car is active, it should be considered eligible to be added to the game. Older GT3s still race against current cars, look at GT World Challenge Asia where a 991 gen Porsche races against a few 992s and is still able to put up a good fight!
It’s for these reasons i really do believe we should be less restrictive on what cars should/shouldn’t be in this class, and i hope i am not the only one.
I’m very curious to hear what you think and, importantly, why so! Are you open to add non-GT3s and turn it into something you see like in Super GTs GT300 class? Do you draw the line at GT3 and only official, active GT3s?
I was thinking the same thing. The Ferrari 458 GTe is in the gt3 category I understand they want to have a Ferrari in this class but surly using a newer Ferrari 488 was the better choice and I still think the Lamborghini should have a car in this category.
Maybe they can’t be balanced in I’m not sure.
I’m open for this. It makes sense to me. I would go further and be open to GT3 and GTE being merged into one class. Performance wise both categories are on par with each other. I have my own series I run in Freeplay set up like this. But I’m ok with keeping them separated too. But an open GT300 style GT3 series does sound like a good bit of fun. And it would add more use to the Lamborghini and Ferrari challenge cars. Maybe T10 could add some of those GT300 cars?
Actually, the GT300 cars were one of the reasons i even was thinking about posting this question and see the responses. It would be imo a lot of wasted potential if we limit it to just GT3 cars considering real life motorsport, and in particular the examples i raised, litterly has homemade GT3s like the prius, CR-Z and BRZ racing against some of the best GT racecars available on the market today.
Arguments can be made to leave out the super trofeos, 488 and GT2 KTM given they aint GT3s if we want to keep it within the GT3 realm but JAF GT300, mother chassis and even the few unhomoligated like the ginetta and Glickenhaus cars? imo i think that’s fair game.
Just a reminder of why we have different classes today—merging classes again would be a step backwards. Let’s wait for new cars to be added to the game to replace the brands that don’t have the correct cars in their respective classes.
It’s not about merging classes necessarily (arguably that’s not what i’m trying to achieve or make happen). This open discussion is about where we draw the line for the GT3 class in terms of cars for future updates. In this case, adding cars that are at the level of GT3 (so not the super Trofeos, 488 challenge or the SRO GT2 KTM) but not officially homoligated GT3s. In this case, the aforementioned cars we find in super GT that would fit like a glove in FGT3 races.
I’m personally for less diversity and more accuracy. GT3 cars have been around for a while and their specs and performance have evolved quite considerably over time. Just looking at a 10 year span at the famed NLS race on the Nurburgring Nordschleife:
(And we all heard about Max’s alleged 7.48 lap time in a 296 GT3 as Franz Hermann. I can’t imagine the number of people who’ll use that as Gamertag now.)
Of course, the track has been reworked and that plays a part but overall, those cars get quicker over time with Evo packages and new entries (just look at the downforce levels of the Mustang GT3 from the recent DLC).
I would love to see older GT3s come back to FM, two of my favourites being the SLS AMG GT3 and the Z4 GT3, but those can’t be competitive with today’s crop if you’re being true to the current cars real potential. So do we want to restrict cars potential for the sake of parity? I’m not in favour, but again, it’s doable. The recent BOP changes have proved positive in the GT classes in my opinion so it could work, but i’d rather see cars locked into “eras”, even within a set of regulations like GT3 (which has been going on for EVER, ie 2005).
The ‘line’ for defining GT3 should be based on the major international championships like WEC, IMSA, and ELMS, where classes are clearly defined and strictly homologated. Introducing non-GT3 cars into the GT3 category just because some lower-tier series have adapted a few doesn’t set a solid precedent.
In Forza’s case, it seems more like a temporary solution due to the absence of official GT3 models from Lamborghini and Ferrari. Hopefully, future updates will bring the correct models to align with the FIA’s GT3 homologation standards.
As for GT2 and GTE, they were essentially the same class under different names. The GT2 class was renamed to GTE in 2011, but the homologation standards remained largely consistent. This rebranding didn’t alter the core specifications of the vehicles.
With all due respect, i have to disagree hard on this. We don’t have to necessarilly look at the highest tier series as the ones you mentioned. More local series working out a BOP for SRO GT2 and GT3 to race together is arguably, in it’s own way, realistic.
Nürburgring 24h, you got the Glickenhauses that are unhomoligated GT3s essentially. Renault RS01 and the Ginetta, 2 unhomoligated cars that raced perfectly fine against GT3 (arguably, they were designed for this exactly, especially the Ginetta) in the Michelin 24H series (also travels internationally). The BRZ, prius, Supra and Nissan Z in GT300, nobody complains about that either so i genuinly don’t see a reason or a point to be so restrictive with this.
Also absolutly no need to correct on me GT2. Rather, you got confused with ACO GT2 wich became GTLM/GTE (wich to clarify i’m not looking to add in at all, i understand these cars are a different beast entirely and preferably stay away from GT3) and SRO GT2 (cars like the GT2 KTM).
As i said in my original post, i’d be absolutely fine with older GT3s being added! To keep it fair, active homoligation in respect of when the game launched should be a good balance. That would still allow cars like the gen 2 Bentley continental, 488 and 991 evo to be thrown in!
But if we want a proper “old” GT3 series, i did think it would be cool to have a “Forza GT retro” kind of lobby. For this though, we really shouldn’t be restrictive, it be a bit like historical racing!
Fair enough, I get where you’re coming from—but I still disagree. You’re basing the logic on niche or regional series that, while interesting, don’t define the global standard for GT3 racing. For a game with a wide, international audience like Forza, it makes more sense to use references like WEC, IMSA, and ELMS where the GT3 class is clearly regulated and consistent. Otherwise, it opens the door to too many exceptions.
Yeah, Nürburgring 24h has its quirks, and the GT300 class in Super GT is unique—but they’re special cases, not the rule. If Forza starts adapting based on those exceptions, it risks diluting the identity of GT3. I think it’s more realistic to stick to FIA-homologated cars, and when certain GT3 models are missing (like the Ferrari or Lambo), just acknowledge it as a placeholder—not redefine the class to fit.
Nothing stops Forza from creating a special event during something like the Nürburgring 24h, with a multiclass race that includes many of the cars it has that actually race there. That would be awesome. But that’s different from changing the structure of spec classes like GT3 or GT2, which are well-defined and popular for exactly that reason.
And all good on the GT2/GTE point—I meant ACO GT2, not SRO GT2. Just wanted to be clear that even with the name change, the homologation carried over.
In the end, it might just make sense to open a poll and let the community decide. You’re leaning on personal preference and unique cases, I’m leaning on high-level racing standards—let’s see what the broader player base thinks.
No point doing a poll, this topic has shown (even with limited interaction) it’s, ironically, split in the middle give or take.
At the end of the day, both our POVs are equally right with their own (dis)advantages. Ultimatly, we could go on for another 10 hours trying to convince eachother but i think you and me don’t want that.
What about a menu option in Freeplay that allows the gamer the option to “bunch” said cars in? Like a “racecar” category that you could select that would open the ability to use those cars? Would this work?
I get where you are coming from tbh i think the Ferrari being in gt3 makes you wonder why the took the lambo out at all.
I just hope we get the new versions would be awesome,
What this discussion made clear to me is that the purpose of your post was simply to express your personal opinion, without much interest in considering counterarguments or community input — and if that was the goal, that’s totally fine. Just important to recognize it for what it is.
My intention here isn’t to change your mind, but to bring relevant points that matter for the broader community. Other players are also reading this thread, and while what I say might not shift your opinion, it could help others think more critically about how these categories should be handled in-game. That’s why I’m contributing — not for debate’s sake, but for the sake of context and clarity.
Oh no, l know you’re saying your part in this to add context! That’s all fair and well! Arguably that’s what i asked for in my original post to hear what others think about this question! Me responding to your POV is nothing more than open discussion and i guarentee nothing il-willed is behind it. If it at one point it came across as hostile, then i do apologize.
Diversity is good but gameplay quality should be the priority. Balanced GT3/GT2 classes provide that and even though I wasn’t happy with GT2/3 split at first, it proved to be a good decision. Hopefully we’ll get GT3 Huracan and 296 as well.
Remember this car in FM7? Yeah I don’t want that to repeat. I’m happy with the current balance.
I’m not really familiar with the Maserati and i joined very late in FM7s life cycle. I also did barely did any online in it so i have no real idea of how powerfull it was. (Not saying it devalues your worry, definatly understand them considering we had the R8 and Huracan EVO do nasty stuff)
In every race with a long straight or an oval you had a grid full of these Maseratis. Other cars weren’t even competitive on those tracks. And on normal tracks those cars were a moving roadblock causing chaos. It’s a somewhat extreme example (in context of FM23) but Forza should keep moving away from that, not towards it.
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