Ok, so lets say I have a dodge challaneger "15 SRT Hellcat. I upgraded the tires, brakes, springs, basically everything that has to due with handling, and the maximum I could get out of it was 5.6, my question is why do certain car have such low handling even with maximum upgraded handling parts?
… because that is just the way it is for that specific car. You don’t expect every brand or make to be equal do you?
Even in the real world they aren’t, here’s an example …
Because it according to forza doesn’t handle as good as a 7.0 handling car.
This may or may not be true but generally in each class the max handling you can achieve is limited a bit. You have to look at it broadly. If the Hellcat had 9.5 or 10 handling that would mean it’s better than a lot of the high class race cars. You and I know that is not the case so that’s why there’s only so much that you can increase the stat.
At any rate, the stat is a bit useless. If you’re building towards improving stats, more often than not you’ll have a mediocre car at best.
Because it’s still a heavy car despite upgrades.
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You have to understand the rating system in Forza. It’s a sliding scale representing the base abilities of the car and upgrades. At the low end would be stock production cars, while at the top of the scale is the full blown fully tuned race machines. Obviously, a classic American Muscle car will never handle as good as an Indy car, regardless of what upgrades you put on it. While you can’t put too much emphasis on the numbers as others have said, they are a good reference for the potential of the car. A C class car with a 5.6 handling rating can be tuned to be very competitive, but an S class car with a 5.6 rating will probably not be very good. Understanding how the ratings work can help you choose the best class for the car you want to race. I may want to race my 65 Mustang in S class, but chances are I wouldn’t do very well!
he has a point there. In c class ghost on the old le mans I was using a gtx top was 7.0 on the straight away I top out at 194 mph here comes a toyota 2000 gt with a 5.5 top fly by me like I was parked on the side of the road going well over 220 mph and finished 14.½ seconds ahead of everyone and this happand more than just 1 time too! so go figure is it under scored or what?.
or is that a glitched car?.
Not glitched.
The build drops or has no effect on top speed rating and the tune fixes the issue.
If I had to guess, the car is using a sport transmission with the final drive moved towards speed. If the gears weren’t tuned, the car would top out pretty quickly with the stock gear settings.
Therefore the 5.5 rating is accurate assuming no tuning to the final drive.
The number still doesn’t make sense. One of the fiats with a 5.7 has a speed rating of 4.9 that go 160mph with either the street or unturned sport tranny.
Regardless the build still are balanced will horrible stats.
Yea that’s weird. It should be in the 5s I would think.
A good car in c class on the old le man, should do 200 mph plus
I have a Lotus 05 with a speed rating of 7.1 in S Class, which will see the other side of 240mph. I also have cars with a speed rating of 9+, that struggle to exceed 250mph. The ratings are based on the build, I believe, and not the tune.
I have to admit, it does seem a little curious that a C class Toyota with a speed rating of 5.5 can hit 220.
I would say long gearing. Race trans. Maybe a few other race engine parts. You have to remember, just because your at a 7.0 and he is at a 5.5 does not mean your car will go faster.
On some cars with 5.7 swap and steet/sport tranny, there very low speed stats. I have a car with a 4.9 speed rating that will do 189mph. If you put the race tranny, you will get more accurate speed rating.
I stand corrected. I check on forza, the top speed is low, but can be tune much higher.
It’s all about raw, unadulterated TORQUE my friend, it’s just that simple. American muscle cars utilize push-rods with big-bore 8 cylinders for maximum old-fashion torque sent to the rear wheels with little or no consideration for anything else. Yes, you have HP an Torque, but how to make it all flow together in a package that’s drivable and maneuverable outside of the just straight line speed has to me been the challenge of the modern American muscle car for sure. Perhaps under FIAT the Europeans could lend a hand in this area.
Isn’t it more long stroke than big bore? Longer the stroke bigger the torque, because of higher compression. Shorter stroke but bigger bore than stroke, gives you a higher RPM.
Well very simplified of course.
But difference between American “muscle” and European is the size of engines. But if you had European cars with same dimension engines, then it would be the same, or almost at least. Overhead most likely in Europeans and pushrod in American.
Challenger is a very heavy car. I think stock it is like 4,500 lbs. You can dump as much CR as you want into handling upgrades but its still not going to hug the road. It’s a standard American muscle car setup. The biggest freakin engine you can find with little to no consideration on handling.
Stupid.
The car is meant for drag. That’s it. The Mustang and to extent Camaro on the other hand are multipurpose.