Not all liveries are shared, some are only available via auction.
Also, nobody really spends their last 20 mil credits they were saving over a few months on VW Golf. But one needs to do something with surplus money and why not by treating yourself with the car you want in the livery you like?
As for “much dependent on luck”, well to some extent. But also on effort. I’m not legendary, I can’t set 20 mil buyout. But another day I decided to get rid of Acura RSX (24k Cr) duplicate I (and everyone in the game seemingly) had. So I put a livery that is not shared on it, I added a good tune that I tested in a few races before (18k Cr) and put in on AH.
If you look for RSX in AH, there’s probably a few hundred offers for 5-7k at any given moment and most are not selling even for that price. I put 70k price on mine and it got sold after an hour. I apply the same principle to any car I sell in AH and they all go out significantly above their Autoshow price tag and none of them are rare (each is obtainable from the shop or AH easily). I don’t do it for money either, just for fun of selling someone nice looking car with good tune at higher price than regular shop.
Let’s call it luck. But it might have something to do with effort.
I don’t put those liveries on my Hub, the ones on my hub are different colours. You get a limited edition car which is what you pay for. But generally you don’t have time to look on a hub for a paint job when the auction is about to end, so you buy the designs anyway.
First is the legendary painter part. This is an example of intent vs result. The intent was people with a high fan base and quality liveries could instead of sharing it all over on something that is a bunch of work, they sell it locked to the car. Doing so keeping the art rare vs common. The buyer spending the premium to have a one off or limited line.
Reality is they buy up the cars and just keep selling prints. So they are not worth the premium. But it also leads to:
Those of us talking scam, scam is what is said, but we mean market manipulation. Controlling a stock of vehicles so you set price. People can only set auction or a max buy price. They now buy and resell but dont even need a good livery. With market bots, it autobuys and then they come in and dump at more than anybody else could get. Yeah, not a scam, is just a bit dirty is all. The original seller is capped, and somebody who legitimately wants must pay a premium to a person with a stockpile making a big markup.
Result is that anything with a limited supply isnt supply based pricing any more.
This is made worse by the livery system itself. A person could make an amazing livery, but way it recommends doesnt let up and comers make in roads. First in, wins.
That’s one way of looking at it, but I see something else. Yes everything you said is true, but it doesn’t work. If you raise the prices the cars do not sell, you make more money at lower prices. For example in this thread I use the Ford Gt 40 64 which will currently sell at about 2.3 Million. Last month it would sell at 900,000. But last month you would buy at 900,000 sell at 2 Million. This month you go from 2.3 million to 5 Million. You make more money now, but need to spend more money too. But here’s the problem with your idea, the people trying to sell at 3 Million up to 20 Million aren’t selling any cars. They are costing themselves money, where they could be doing the smart thing and going for the 5 Million payout. 5 Million is the current limit. legendary sellers can’t up the price without costing themselves money over a few days. It doesn’t work.
With a clearer understanding of the information you have shared, it does offer the readers a clearer picture. You have been presenting proper marketeering. By watching cars, you can identify ones of a more limited supply and stockpile. (which is one reason am sure they limit garage size. To prevent hoarding. Ditto with auction house car storage)
At a later time, value goes up, so example is buying cheap the FE store cars that are not autoshow. Later value goes up and you sell. Market forcasting is a bit of an art. To some it will come natural. Combine with your own nice livery and indeed, it most definitely can be a fun and reasonable money earner.
My earlier comments were because original posts do not present this idea, and gave off to me the presence of market manipulation. Combined with issues related to game that isnt relevant to this conversation, I was in a hostile mindset so approached this topic with a more malicious intent assuming mindset. I usually prefer civil and understanding conversations so I am sorry about that.
While the way I said it may not have been interperated as feasable, it is. You buy cars cheap because a person cannot sell for more, then immediately repost at your maximum. People will buy because they want and it is only one on the market. Other sellers competing will minutely undercut. Giving you a rebuy at lower margin, but can maintain a net positive. This works until the supply builds up beyond demand at which time being aware of market is vital. When it no longer is feasable to maintain the monopoly, you flood the market with your supply to cover the asset value.
By rotating stocks and staying ahead, it nets huge profits, but at the expense of the average player. And if supply and demand are balanced, with the game you can effectively force prices to always be at the maximum solely because there isnt any way for the supplier to offer a competitive price.
This is where people get upset by the legendary. I do not have that status but have a car that can sell for say 20m. As result, I am forced to sell it for peanuts where said legendary status can just flip it instantly for a much higher value.
This is not true. Anyone can set those Fords to sell for 5M. It doesn’t require any status due to the price tag on the car (9 mil).
That’s the whole point of original post - you don’t need to be able to set high buyout or have any special status to make serious cash off AH.
However, it requires work. What people want is to be able to sell “rare” cars for which others will pay any money for maximum price. So the grudge here is really not about “scam from legendary painters/tuners”, it’s about inability to join it. Which, come think of it, is also possible, just requires even more work and of different kind.
Oh my comment that you quoted was only what happens with the legendary rank complaints, not specifically the ford gt40. But example of what I was referring to was if somebody wanted to fix price and the gt wasnt a barn find, not autoshow car, you could buy them for the 5m basic price, then resell for exponentially higher at no value.
To many, this is considered unfair that their ability to sell a high selling car is capped to a lower price just because they do not do liveries. Without understanding the intent, and seeing the most visible results of it, it makes it a no sense mechanic to them.
It is what I corrected myself for in the post you got that snippet from. Our poster wasnt manipulating markets via the legendary status as I originally thought. He is doing clever and smart forecasting.
I’m a bit confused. Do I need to be a legendary painter to be able to do the same thing? I think I checked a few days ago and I couldn’t put this car for auction above 1.3 M.
I am a bit confused. Do I need to be a legendary painter to be able to do the same thing as original post? I think I checked a few days ago and I couldn’t put this car above 1.3M for sale at AH.
I am a bit confused. Do I need to be a legendary painter to be able to do the same thing as original post? I think I checked a few days ago and I couldn’t put this car above 1.3M for sale at AH.
I am a bit confused. Do I need to be a legendary painter to be able to do the same thing as original post? I think I checked a few days ago and I couldn’t put this car above 1.3M for sale at AH.
The auction house has changes since 1 year ago, and now only Legendary painters can sell those cars at high prices. You will need to find another car that sells at a high price.