So what do you guys think about legendary painters?
Do you love them or do you hate them?
Personally, I’m a bit sick of some legendary painters.
Mostly the ones that somewhat abuse the higher auction limit that they get given because it seems somewhat ridiculous they are pretty much buying all of the limited car (Forzathon rewards and such) and then putting one of their paints which are normally nothing worthwhile and then they can ask for a 20 million buyout and pretty much be guaranteed to get up to like 7m or so (918 being used as the example here) for a car that should really only be costing a fraction of that.
Honestly, some of them really didn’t work hard for their reward, like the people that just do the glitch with zinc to make the paint extra dark or just the one monster design (Or any other design) copy pasta’d onto every hypercar they can think of.
But you’re saying it’s perfectly fine that you have to spend like 2.5m+ for the 1982 911 Turbo or now 7-8m for the 918 just because you might have missed the weekend or day that they were available?
Doesn’t that seem like a far too hefty premium for cars that have a cost of 38k and 850k in the games valuation?
It’s not our fault that some painters abuse the Storefront’s tendency to prioritise new designs over everything else…
Some people have found a way to game the system and get a high enough number of downloads to reap the rewards.
If I could suggest one thing for the future, it would be to have a limit on the number of items you can share on your Storefront. This would encourage more curation, and put a focus on quality over quantity.
In Forza Motorsport 4 you could host a maximum of 16 liveries in your Storefront, 32 if you were a VIP. I think a cap of 50 (with a VIP cap of 100) would be a suitable number in a modern Forza title.
Well thats why I said some initially because alot of people that have legendary painter are just that with designs that are fantastic but this is mostly focused towards the people that in a way are abusing the system.
But I agree with you, a limit would be good because you go into some people storefronts that have 5* painter and it’s like 150+ of the same paint on every car they can think of or the same paint but in like 5 different colours on like 20 different cars.
I don’t want any limits on how many designs I or anyone else can keep or share. To me the AH thing is a simple fix. Eliminate all pricing floors / ceilings for everyone. Let anyone post vehicles in the AH for whatever they want. Then if a Legend tuner or painter wants to sell something for 20M they better damn well put something legendary on it or no one will buy it.
I also think just a little bit of the blame goes to the masses who keep buying 800K cars for 20M. Quit buying them and the Legends will quit asking so much for them.
Very true, supply and demand. It aggravates me to no end especially on the RX7s and now the 918 (luckily I was able to purchase mine for cheap prices 68k for the RX7s and 500k for the 918) to see the same 3 or 4 sellers with all the inventory with a generic cookie cutter paint and charging insane prices (especially for a person that doesn’t like custom paint jobs on cars). Unfortunately that’s the way business works, the sellers troll the auctions and buy all the cheap cars then instantly marks up the value 1000 fold, for an unsespecting or desperate buyer to buy now. Nothing necessarily illegal about it, but it is extremely cheesy especially since the money isn’t real.
Or they could bottom out everyone. And let the paints them selves to be auctioned. So there is NO WAY any of 80% of the “legends” would make anything on there paints.
And now everyone would be able to get a 918. With minimal pain. Now the cars are accessible and real legndRy painter can get paid.
I assume that is the reason why they limited normal players max bid. (Not sure why the limited the min bid though)
Then they decided to add the status to bring back the one off special paints so you could be rewarded. With no safeguards and so you have a bunch of people boosting the stats. Gee never saw that coming.
Legendary painter status is a cool title but the perks are over the top. I can see a 10 or 20 percent increase in auction prices but the bonus the game gives them is insane, especially given the fact you can just import designs across all the Forza games. There is a literal handful of painters who I’d call legendary. Many just got lucky with a design or vinyl cut and paste that got a lot of downloads.
Or…they should just go back to the way it was done in FM4. Let us set a price for our designs and then not limit the AH for everyone except stupid Zinc glitching legend painters. Its amazing how everything was done right in FM4 then removed and is now slowly being dripped back into the Forza Franchise.
Why not just limit the amount of cars that they can buy from the Auction House over a 48 hour period?
That would tame a lot of them who get a car for peanuts then sell it on with a normal flat paint job that I could do for millions of CR profit.
The thing that bothers me about the legendary painter benefits is that im pretty sure that some of these guys could abuse the easy way of earning fast credits to sell them for real money. Hence this could explain all these credits selling websites?
Which is pretty sad in my opinion
Imagine:
-a kid missed the forzathon for the 918->does not have 10m credits → decides to buy them from a website
→ got the 10m credits and buys the 918 from the auction house (little did he know that the person that was selling the 918 was also selling the credits)
This is just an example and i have nothing against legit legendary painters (those that actually created legendary paintjobs instead of copy pasta a design on 600 cars) but could imagine a few rotten appels benefitting from their status this way
Eitherway, i think that being able to sell cars for 20× or more of the price of a non legendary painter is a bit too much (lets not forget that legendary painters receive credits for each design downloaded or used which can count up nicely)
At first I wasn’t as annoyed with the legendary painters, more so I was angry with t10 for doing this. I mean who came up with this idea over at t10? Now I’m getting annoyed with the painters, the GREED is just obnoxious and imho it makes no sense because at some point you don’t have anything to waste the credits on. For instance my credits haven’t dropped below 70 million credits in months, and I have at least another 20+ million credits in sold cars that I haven’t even claimed from the sold section. I have just about every high dollar car in the game, tbh I have multiples. Its at a point where these greedy so called legends are just piling up the credits and players who don’t have the means or are new just suffer and it will continuously get worse because they are only getting wealthier which makes it even harder to compete with them at the AH. Another thing to think about is that a lot of people are aiming for legendary status just so they can be greedy which means we’ll have a lot more greedy so called legends as we move forward. What makes it suck even more is that unicorns cant be gotten by any other means other than doing the forzathon.
What t10 should have done was limit how many cars a “legend” can up the price on. Limit it to 1 car per forzathon, this way the “legend” can make some extra credits and it doesn’t impact the community as much. The competition would be great because those that want the car just to drive and could care less about the paint can get their unicorn, also the so called legend would have to put out an amazing paint job to sell their car for an exorbitant amount of credits. Most of these legends are trash anyways, only a handful have earned that legendary status by putting out amazing liveries.
I have never bid nor have boughten out an auction by any of these legendary painters, I just won’t support the practice. If I could say anything to these legendary painters and tuners it would be to be more considerate.
So now you’re angry with the painters but. You start out with and end up with T10.
In my opinion T10 should manually hand out (not fair, boo) they could have been prizes for contests.
Making it numbers of likes/ downloads just made the forecast on commercial artist versus the artist. Of course it was going to be boosted and exploited. Are people responsible? Yep. That’s why the 918 cost so much right now. But really. The system set was easily exploited.
Reduce everyone to normal and figure out a way to compensate painters, please.
Should not the fact that users download the art work to there cars, and display for all the world to see be payment enough . Do not artists believe that appreciation of ther work is all they need in payment. Personally I think the art work ant tunes should not be free to apply to ones car, but should be sold for x ammount of credit, and make all auctions the same for all players. I know I would be happy to pay the artist directly for there work if I wanted to display in on my cars.
The compensation system for painters is just fine as it is right now. I am compensated very handsomely each day for my shared paints and I’ve never sold a single car in the auction house. The only problem is the auction house. Remove any differences based on painter/tuner levels and make everyone equal and the problem is gone. Let everyone’s work be sold based on its actual value to others just like in real markets and there is no issue.
you know what they say about the shoe fitting…there are only a handful of real legends and thats the truth, some of the best painters aren’t even legends in in-game-status. If youre truly talented then you shouldn’t even take offense but yes the “legendary” painters are GREEDY, proof is in the pudding buddy. So what if you share, I share and I have never been legendary? I can post messages of people begging me to buy out their cars because they don’t have the credits and many thanks for doing so. I have a bought section full of porsches that I buy for friends and we set a time so that they can buy em out because of this nonsense, its ridiculous imo. I lose money on em and so what if I do, it means more to me for them to have the car than the credits. Its called being charitable, and all those that have the means to do so should be…just my honest opinion. Where I do agree with you is that the beggers can definitely be greedy and ungrateful, all the credits I’ve gotten have been by my own doing, no legendary status, no begging, just good old fashion grinding and AH wits and I’m low-key proud of that.
I get that all legends aren’t greedy and you may very well be one of those, but the vast majority are, and thats just what I see with my own eyes.
Yeah, if I could actually sell my unwanted cars back to the game instead of being stuck with them filling my garage, I don’t think I would be trying to sell my Ferrari 166mm with a fancy 5 star Halloween themed paint job and a tune slapped on and failing miserably.
I do not oppose the establishment of a class of painters and tuners.
However, privilege should not be applied to unicorn and barn finds.
It was natural for them to buy up the unicorn and raise the price.
Users who unlock the data of FM5 to get the title of the Legendary Painter have already appeared.
With FM2, the unicorn was a system to correct a difference of the Cr between players.
However, the current unicorn is a system letting only some players be rich more.
Besides that, this system has made people feel hate and distrust of legendary painters.
Perhaps they will not improve this mad system of FH3.
However, please improve this crazy system absolutely with FM7 and FH4.
. Do not artists believe that appreciation of ther work is all they need in payment. Personally I think the art work ant tunes should not be free to apply to ones car, but should be sold for x ammount of credit, and make all auctions the same for all players. I know I would be happy to pay the artist directly for there work if I wanted to display in on my cars.