Hey everyone. I’m on the brink of giving up drifting in this game because I just can’t seem to get it right. I’ve never tweaked my tunes alot but I just can’t seem to get anything dialed. I became a pretty good drifter in Horizon 3 (yes I understand they a very different games in the way of physics), drifting anything from and H1 Hummer to Porsche 356A. But I’m just stumped here. My steering seems to be a huge issue. It’s always snappy no matter what it do. Sometimes is better, but never comfortable. Also, maintaining a drift even seems to snappy. Even when I’m counter-steering the front end wants to surge forward when I tap to steer, so I get thrown off and either come out of the drift or spin out. Also wondering on my controller settings as well, they seem like they could be throwing me…I just don’t know. This seems to happen anywhere from an NA Miata to a built Silvia, just with varying severity. I’m just so frustrated because I don’t honestly feel I can be this terrible at it. Going back to the Horizon thing, even though they are so different I don’t understand how I’m not picking up on it yet in 7. Sorry for the short novel, just ranting/reaching out for help at the same time. Any tips are greatly appreciated.
Practice, practice and… practice
Sim steering? Only works for wheel. So use normal.
Also, go into controller settings → advanced controller settings → make everything 0-100, so the 15 to 0, and 95 to 100.
And at last, run a soft setup.
A soft setup is more “forgiving” in the sens that transitions wont be as violent (snappy).
Dont believe the camber hype. Use between -1-2 front. For the rear, use like -0,5-0.0.
Toe? Very little toe out front, 0,1-0,3. Rear? Toe in, 0,1.
Don’t believe the camber hype? Everyone runes settings differently. What may not work for you could work for others. No need to bash the way other people tune their cars. With that being said, have you looked at these forums on help regarding tuning before posting? There are several ways for making a tune and comparing the horizon series to the motorsport series is a huge no no. For several obvious reasons. If your car seams to be snappy, the most obvious reason to many people that it is too stiff. Softening up both the front and rear can help this. For myself, I find the sweet spot to be around 550 in the front and 500 in the rear, but this is also due to how I set up my cars, which can easily get angel locks or pull 360 entries. But most of the tunes are for a point type drifter.
Dude, this is a game. Not real life. Alot of people ive tandemed with so far in this game, run a rather similar setup. Even random people.
A drift car is about balance. Nothing too extreme, unless u run alot of power, or drive a BMW, which has a lot of rear grip.
Ok, u might like a stiffer setup, or a softer, but the balance is still there. Very few run like… 18kg front spring with 4kg rear spring.
So if I gave you my setup, you wont have any big issues.
I fail to see how people understand this. Its a game which you sit with a controller and play.
A bad setup is a bad setup. A more skilled guy might be able to tame it with throttlecontrol, but other then that, it will still be bad.
I’ve drifted with IconicSlider and other top drifters in Forza period. Their tunes and mine are not the same in the least bit. Yeah they point drift AND tandem with their tunes. I can not drift their tunes but can drift with my tunes. The difference? Not very much as in drifting points as in they are getting 70K on average on Cataluyna and I am getting 67-68K with my tunes. Their brake pressure is vastly different than my tunes as well as all the other set ups. So you might be able to drift with negative camber and negative toe, others can drift with them in the positives. This goes with Tandems, Points, Drift Wars, ect. Some people like angle locked cars, some like a very loose back end which they are able to stabilize with throttle control. Some people like keeping angle less for learning, some people love geting that 45 degree angle. And it works for all cars, trucks, and SUV’s.
So no, it isn’t always a bad tune just because it doesn’t match how YOU drift or your tune.
Well… I know for a fact that theres alot of unrealism to top drifters setups. Like some use drag tires and positive camber etc etc.
Personally, im against that 100%. Drifting should be done with anything from stock to sport tires, with negative camber only.
And no, its not like I cant get points, I can get 68k+ on cataluyna too.
Maybe try drift with someone who doesnt use a funky wambam wierdo setup.
Lets leave the discussion at that. I dont think we will ever agree with anything.
I can drift with negative camber as well, I just prefer not to. And yes, I have drifted with people who use realistic drift tunes, and have drifted with some of the top drifters in Forza. And I have done drift competition tunes which have 500HP or less and use stock tires and only stock tires. The 500HP take more time tuning and can be harder to drift which is why they use it a lot for more drift comps since you have to find that right balance and get the most out of the vehicle, usually keeping the stock engine or sometimes the turbo rally engine since fully upgraded it doesn’t go over 500 HP, or it didn’t before FM7 which I haven’t checked out yet. Most likely I will use a Ford Cortina or something for that set up. For those I think it’s -1.0 in the front and -0.3 in the rear for camber. Usually but who knows what it will be like in this iteration of the game. IT’s like brake pressure. Some people like it down at 20-25%, some people like it at 90%.
Speaking of weirdo combo’s that also use negative camber, there are basic tunes that use between -3.0 and -4.0 camber as well, even in S13’s which can be found here :
So having extremes are not unheard of. As I said, everyone drifts differently, realistically and unrealistically and you can’t justify knocking down on someone for using a tune that is different than yours and claiming “realism” when even real cars have extreme cambers. And using 7 degrees caster when some drift cars in Forza use between 3 and 5 and not always 7.
And there are positive cambered drifters as well. This can be proven at:
When did I ever say its wierd to run -4 camber in real life? Never. In fact, ive linked to that website before in other threads here, for people who look for help.
However, in this game it seems to be beneficial and easier to run low amount of camber.
Do you drive IRL or have any mechanical knowledge?
Cause I doubt that thread on driftworks has to do with positive camber.
It makes no sens at all to have positive camber on a drift car.
Only place where I can see positive camber is in the rear, if u have a very powerful car. Because the alignment change as the suspension compress.
So when the rear squats, the camber will increase.
Keep it roasting hot!
Well considering all the gear heads that are drifting the cars are going for positive camber, you tell me. I am not in that forum, I do not participate in that forum, but they are ALL suggesting a positive camber. So that would be pretty freakin dumb to ask me about my knowledge if I linked something to what OTHERS are saying and YOU question ME. Shouldn’t you be questioning every one in there on why they would do that? Probably not because I doubt you have the gall to do in there and tell them they are all wrong. But keep defending your idea and fake roasts when you shouldn’t be questioning me but questioning your so called knowledge when it’s out there with a couple of keystrokes and a few searches. And it doesn’t take a powerful car for anything, it looked like they were asking on S13 and S14 cars. BUT, replying to you in the future would be daunting because let’s face it. I came with facts and you came with, I am not even sure what the heck you came with to be truthful. So don’t question me for your tirade, question the people who actually proved you wrong in forums and go question them. I don’t need to be a mechanical person or an engineer or a gear head, because obviously that got you no where. I just need to be able to read and do a simple search apparently.
but we are talling for a point drift setting or for a real drift setting? they are very differents in setup and tricks like positive camber can help in point drifting
We are talking about drifting in the proper manner - which is with negative camber and no drag tires.
Nobody use positive camber in real life. If he knew anything about how a car work, he would know this.
I use nearly the same setup for tandem and points. I just add power and soften the rear to cope with the power the few times I do points.
exactly, in real like is negative…
the unique way i see positive camber is on forza as trick for improve drift points…
i usually setup as it was in real life couse is about 12 years that i do it with a local team…
Yup.
Its just Senistr who believe they also use positive camber irl.
Why? Because he have read a thread on DriftWorks on camber and thought that they ment positive cause they are lazy and dont write “negative” or “-”…
Kids thesedays…
Actually I found that out after the fact. There are positive cambered drifters. Your ego and lack of intelligence is actually pretty severe in this case. And calling me a kid shows it even worse because you automatically dismiss things like a kid would do when they are wrong. There ARE positive cambered drifters out there, there ARE negative cambered drifters out there. Dismissing one over the other doesn’t show anything but idiocy because someone who actually is more intelligent comes along and proves you wrong, which you are, and then you try to dismiss it saying everyone is is wrong, proven wrong again, then dismiss it saying I don’t know they are talking negative vs positive? Do you really believe yourself? You’re ridiculous. Some cars work better with negative, some work better with positive. If you want to use negative, go ahead but don’t discredit when positive tunes can work in real life and in simulation. The fact you keep trying to defend on how you’re correct when you’ve been proven wrong is unbelievably pathetic. Chalk up the loss, drink water and move on already. Calling me kid, you’re pathetic in every which way. Just pure cowardly and pathetic. The truth isn’t what is unsettling after watching your posts.
Some cars actually need positive camber to get it back to 0 or it’s getting too negative when cornering so by bringing it positive will give the tires more patch to work with. This is more than just daily drivers or a few track cars, some have done it in drifting to wear the tires evenly, which is what they are trying to accomplish.
^ We are talking about drift cars.
What happens with the wheel geometry when it goes from straight ahead to full opposite lock?
It goes from whatever you have to positive camber. It does not go to 0… Positive camber would make it go even more positive at opposite lock, not going back to 0…
Thats why they use negative camber.
Now, for the rear, you can use positive, as I mentioned earlier.
You dont really prove anything either. You seem to be very little critical regarding the source of information, considering its 1 thread on a forum. Very intelligent.
Come with proper proof that people drift with positive camber in real life. Only then you can bash on me and call me dumb. Linking DW is not sufficient, as im a member there myself.
Its a website for drifters, we dont need to be told that its negative camber its talked about when camber is mentioned…
I’ll stop feeding the troll now.
Nice troll. 10/10.
well i partecipate in a lot of King Of Europe events with the team … but no one there use postitive cambers… you can see that on formula D events and D1gp events ( lots of video on youtube showing the cars of the events and is very obvious how is the camber there … )
Dude it’s a game, just use what works for you. I try to model my tunes after real world cars and their settings. If you model yours for an edge in points or easier handling more power to you. I have a decade of steering/suspension and alignment experience. Positive camber is not beneficial IRL. In the game it might be. I can’t say because I’ve never tried it. I also run high caster angles to prevent snappy steering. IRL higher caster angles allow you to utilize more negative camber without sacrificing control. I’m not sure how the game responds to extremes because, as I’ve said, I model my tunes off of real life experience. That’s all these guys are trying to say. Nobody is right/wrong when it comes to digital cars and tunes. Its whatever gets you the W.
Ignore all the bickering about camber… camber is a personal thing and if youre starting put, just go for the standard negative 2 to 3 in the front and 1 in the back…
For your steering issues, make sure sim steering is off (set to normal steering) make sure tcs and stm are off. And try softening your suspension and increasing your damping.