Well here’s the thing: I’m pretty confident we have a solid track racer in our hands. So give it a couple years, add a few hundred more cars, some new tracks and it will have done its job very well. But the game is supposed to last over 5 years, so why not start expanding? Especially with Dirt racing, we’ve had the off-road physics for years via Horizon, so it only makes sense to tackle a new form of Motorsport after the core game’s track racing aspect has been done well.
I’m not saying aim for achieving all of this at launch, I’ve made that clear many times now. 3 years into the game’s life, adding a Baja circuit and lawn mowers or whatever else y’all wanna come up with isn’t going to somehow make the track racing aspect any worse. It will just add more variety & I’m all for that. If you’re not then don’t do the extra things. It’s really that simple.
If we have a solid list of 700 track racer cars, and a solid track list, it would be good to expand outwards in my opinion. Just continuing down the same path and adding another 100 track racer cars and 5 more normal race tracks wouldn’t add as much value in my opinion.
Yes! I forgot that MotorSport also has big expansion packs! (Been a while since the last one), I think a proper rally/dirt expansion would be perfect for this! Especially if it’s the 3rd or 4th, so that it’s not included in the $100 edition of the game for those who really don’t want it
But yes, this thread is ridiculous.
When Codemasters was up on the ropes of being swallowed by a bigger corpo. I almost held out hopes that MS would buy them and integrate them into the T10 team for Forza development. Actually integrate authentic rally into Forza like they seem to have been wanting to do but keep failing within each Horizon series. And only then, can I agree that Motorsport should try to implement dirt into the core structure. As it stands. Its a guarantee that such an implementations would be poorly executed as all their other authentic variety series have been, not worth your time, and not worth the resources allocated to it.
I mean, most of the mainstream tracks are there. Only one missing is Norschlefe, Coming later than I’d like. But I woudn’t say that whats there is lacking character. And not sure what alternatives would have character to your liking. Maybe the few Japanese tracks that arent in it? I’d love to see those come back. But again, its not like the tracks we’re getting are generic.
Maybe I’m silly but a lot of the reason I’d like rally integrated into MotorSport at some point, is because a dedicated rally game would likely have a super boring, no-frills car list of pure racing cars, & off-roaders.
Part of the fun of the off-road racing in Gran Turismo is throwing road cars like a Ferrari F40 up a snow covered race track to see how it fares. Dakar racing in a '69 Mustang or Integra Type R wouldn’t happen in a “Forza RalliSport”. And while obviously that’s not something that would ever happen in real life, part of the fun of Sim-Cades is racing road cars on race tracks.
It’s no more of a stretch to see a '69 Mustang in Dakar than it is to see a Group B Audi on the Miami Brickway Oval track. Yet the latter is possible, & nobody complains that it isn’t realistic, as that’s the fun of sim-cade imo.
I’m just extremely fond of Bernese Alps, Prague and such tracks with beautyful surrounding.
a lot of change of altitude and terrain
you can spend hours just trying to get lower laptimes
There are a handful of other tracks that are ok at launch, but none of my favourite type.
so will await upcoming tracks since I am sure they will come over time
So a lot more of that in WRC 9 for one and other Rally games.
You think it’s that tough of a deal using the name WRC?
I really doubt that, it would be overly stupid of a studio to have worthless code when license expire.
If looking at Codemasters stuff Dirt and Dirt Rally series, they did this for 15 years without any WRC stuff in there.
and from wiki EA Sports WRC is just what would have been DR3 anyway
Nothing so special about cars as I see it
just remove some paintjobs if saying WRC anywhere
just remove the official drivers of WRC as part of game
Nothing special about tracks
it’s just rally events and remove banners saying WRC everywhere
Same roads are used for other rally events.
A bit like alpine skiing
you have world cup events in Davos or whatever
and then you have other championships in the same hills
Since I don’t buy anything from Microsoft ad-box store I looked for codes for various rally games, but not sure if based on code from previous WRC or not.
if it was 3-4 titles I did not see before but don’t know if B-games either
As I see it they just have to call it something else but WRC.
If MS would sell Turn 10 studios that code would go with it, most probably.
or they could just use the knowhow of staff giving them an offer they cannot refuse and hire for another studio.
And this was my open goal for Microsoft to actually buy Kylotonn and that code and studio for rally cars would go with it.
thanks for the heads up on Kylotonn
I didn’t have to turn on my ad-box to find out
I don’t believe a word of that code of Kylotonn would be locked somehow due to that WRC license dropped.
reshape the car and events to general Rally something
So what is a car class
certain horse power restrictions
certain distance between wheel axes or similar
certain tire width limitations
certain weight limitations
Something like that.
You can have any number of cars fulfilling those conditions, but just not call it WRC anything.
and call it RallyBarry, RealRally or something else
Banjacked Rally, with a heavy license fee of course
Dirt games name just associate with that you run most on gravel.
Dirt Rally the same thing.
There is a game Gravel, Hotspot racing, V-Rally and many more.
Codemaster did license Colin McRay for up to Dirt 2, I think, while he lived.
this was his particular setup of his cars
and approved of him for sure
and using his name as a selling point
I cannot believe Kylotonn studios hands would be so tied loosing the license.
the code they made is theirs
they bought ability to use the name WRC, now gone
Buying these licenses has a great impact on sales for sure.
had many arguments over ACC with folks thinking it was so good just because they bought that official GT3 license
and they did because it sells games
many think it must be sooooo good because of it
Look at WRC, I think I have 3, 4, 7, 9 and it was not until WRC 7 I read really good reviews of the game as such.
so purchasing license to WRC name is not the same as the best rally game out there
it’s just driven by who pays the best
I think it is called “branding” and buying right to use a branded name sells.
so they cash up getting license to use it
Not rocket science, really…but making these nice games is rocket science…
