It’s immaterial is it’s bugged for you or not. The Devs themselves announced they will fix 200 bugs a month or so before they released Update 2.0, no Dev announces such things unless there’s a mess on release for a large customer base. The first patch was tiny and fixed only “Intro” part of the career and broke tons of other things even though it came 3 weeks after pre-release. From what’s floating around Patch/Update 2 also broke more than it fixed.
Meanwhile EA a company very infamous for it’s predatory practices has released 3 patches for WRC in 2 weeks for a game that has only shuttering issues and not fatal crashes and gives twice as much fps as FM8 on PC. I never thought I will be comparing T10 with EA.
I, for one, would be extremely surprised if the developers themselves would be the ones to post official announcements. Especially if FM is as much as a dumpster fire as folks are saying that it is.
Why is my experience without the bugs others are experiencing immaterial? Is my experience not as valid as yours?
Yes, but no Devs makes an announcement to fix 200 bugs a month before a patch, it’s more of an apologetic promise. And the patch notes don’t even prove that they kept that promise.
I didn’t assume anything, I’m asking the user specifically who they are talking about and why anyone is bothering with those who are behaving childishly when that exists on either side of the fence. Those people aren’t offering anything, so instead of focusing on them, focus on those who are asking and answering questions succinctly and in-depth without side-stepping and goal post moving.
Also, I’ve been accused/called various things without reason already so I’m well within the realm of reason to question where me and some of the other guys are being pigeon holed .
We should get back to discussing the actual issues because this is becoming a circular debate talking about folks who aren’t even inputting anything. There’s fans willing to defend anything and there’s haters who are just posting nonsense without any construction to their criticism. We can ignore both groups because neither is useful. Blind love doesn’t inspire creativity or progression and blind hate does not either.
I’d appreciate not being accused of “starting” anything, my posts are always well thought out and tackle as many points raised as possible. If only everyone in these discussions could do the same.
Especially. This is not an indie studio that makes the first game and something didn’t work out for them. These guys were beating their chests and backing it up with the words that THIS WOULD BE THE BEST FORZA WE’VE EVER SEEN!!! I didn’t care that they announced a bug fix for 200 values after such a long development of the game. It is simply unforgivable to release a product in this state. I was especially pleased here by the person who calls constructive criticism from people and dissatisfaction with the game (for which a lot of money was paid) whining and compares it to childish whims. There would be fewer complaints against the developers if they had not been making this product for 6 years and only if their staff had completely changed and before that they had not released the games that we are used to. I don’t understand this degradation in quality over a period of one game. I honestly don’t understand
Irony be thy name. If you’re having so much fun with the game, why are you here in a thread made by people who aren’t having the same fun as you due to bugs and rubbish gameplay, if not to be entitled and try and shut down criticism of any kind?
Please explain why you are so against criticism of a video game, and where exactly you think it’s supposed to go other than “not where I am”.
You can leave the threads where it’s happening, you know. I really don’t understand these people who keep on coming back to threads where discussions about negatives are happening. Actually I do know, it’s a futile attempt to control the narrative as well as an addictive need to feel like you’ve debunked something.
Which, in fairness, is happening everywhere you look. The forums, both subreddits, YouTube videos and their comment sections. I suggest making a new forza subreddit where complaints aren’t allowed, because the vast majority of communication surrounding this game is negative and for good reason.
If you can’t handle it, make a sub or discord you can personally tone police. Otherwise, let’s have some fair and honest discussion about the problems with the game.
When I say that there’s been concerted efforts to twist and redefine both the narrative of this game and the negative reactions to it…this is exactly what I’m getting at. This is why calls for “civility” and “acting like adults” should be viewed with suspicion and scorn until they’re proven to be genuine and sincere. When you yourself, as well as others in this thread, treat the very concepts as one-way streets…why should anyone oblige you?
I don’t see any vision the devs may have with this game.
Putting the bugs aside we have a lack of functionality in all directions.
There is No basic Sim functionality like:
tripple screen
VR
wide wheel and pedal support
detailed FFB
virtual mirror in all cams
radarhud like helicorsa
spotterradio
a working penalty/safety rating system
pitradio like F1 23
Nordschleife at release
setup a full raceweekend with practice & qualli & a pitstopstrategy configurator before the race
seting up own championsships
sandboxmodus to race fulltuned outside the progressionsystem
Sophy like AI
spectator cams
40+ car grid
etc.
and there is No basic Arcade functionality like:
a story evolving around the player - means atm there is no career in careermodus
racingteam leader functionality/gamemodus to manage a racingteam
immersiv full animated manually driven pitstops with manual pit limiter
immersiv 900 degree wheelanimation
winkers / lightswitches
dirtrace
snowrace
driftrace
dragrace
hillclimb
different racemods like the last one get out of the race after each lap
racingschool
a modern state of 2023 livery editor
livery import
etc.
you can’t even rotate the car in the tuning menu
the rim selection is most userunfriendly as possible
the ffb-settings are a mess
etc.
a progression system is a good idea but atm its just clunky don’t realy fit into the rest of the game and into the history of the game.
atm the game is nothing of both sim&arcade and this doesn’t make the game SimCade coz it should have at least something of both to be SimCade.
aside from bugfixing, adding cars, tracks and (not)career-tours/cups to the game where is the developers vision for this game?
are we going in direction sim, arcade or simcade?
Is there any plan to add basic sim or arcade functionality to the game?
Is there a plan to overhaul the tuning section, livery editor, old car models or anything?
Do we get any QoL to the UI in future?
New Forza Wings maybe?
The evolution of Codemasters F1 2009 to F1 2023 is just a little example what is possible.
Compare this to the evolution of Forza Motorsport 2005 to 2023… …or just better don’t…
For me it’s unbelievable how barbone the game around the good physics and big carpool is.
Its so barebone that it feels like a scam to me.
If FM4 was the best FM they stopped any evolution of the game in 2011 and they still don’t know where they should heading to with the game.
I wouldn’t mind a real honest reliable statement from the Developers.
I have been wondering today if these anonymous accounts are by frustrated devs venting on Customers, usually the forum mods delete these troll comments promptly.
It’s funny that you guys just report and have anything I say removed because you don’t agree. Talk about a one way street. Lol this community is an absolute joke. Came here to find people to race with, not sit in a circle for comfort cries. Take care y’all and I hope that you can find peace in your dissatisfaction.
My point was that there are proper channels to address problems. Since the recent update have any of you being so loud and proud at how bad the game is, made an updated bug report, made a new suggestion thread, provided any video to help the devs? So do you really want to help improve the game or do you want sulk? No need for an answer because I already looked. Misery loves company!! Have fun guys.
