Also when you are cycling through the cars in your garage, pushing Right on the right thumbstick will switch the graphic from the car logo to the class.
[Mod Edit - thread merged since it’s about more than just the Apollo - MM]
2018 Apollo IE, a hypercar…not listed as a hypercar?? Okay, I’m all for one to hate on the fact you have to do trials to get this car, but it’s NOT listed as a hypercar?? This doesn’t make any sense. How can a hypercar not be listed as a hypercar?
It literally handles like a Senna, and is probably quicker than it with stock tuning. yet instead it’s listed as a track toy…
By definition a hypercar is a ‘high-performance street-legal sportscars’. That’s the Senna.
The Apollo is listed as ‘Extreme Track Toy’. Why ?
It’s not street-legal, like every other car in that division.
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The Apollo is street-legal.
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Where in god’s name are you people getting the idea that the Apollo isn’t street legal?
10 people have bought it and it IS drivable on all roads. It IS a street legal car.
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Not sure exactly if street legality is actually the differentiation of a hypercar vs. extreme track toy (as I believe there are Track Only Hypercars, there’s even a reddit post debating what exactly an Extreme Track Toy is), but if it is… I would say you both are right. The owners have package options that can configure the car both for street use and track use. The trident-tip exhaust which is 3D printed out of a solid piece of Titanium costs more than an entire BMW M4 in itself and is provided to owners with an option to swap in a lower decibel street legal muffler system or a louder performance system to be used on the track where there are no noise restrictions. The owners of the cars are also provided an additional set of brake kits and tires for track use versus street use. It also depends on what the specific client ordered. The base model started at $2.7M US Dollars and was the 8th most expensive car in the world. If the client so desired, they could have spec’d their specifc car for track use only… Apollo totes the car as a hypercar, but in theory it could be modified to where it no longer is street legal… I imagine whoever the 10 buyers were that are supposed to get their products delivered this year would want a car they can drive around town though. What good is owning one of the most expensive cars in the world if you cant blow some skirts up driving through town ;p
Regardless of whether they are street legal or not, you can see the difference between Hypercars and Extreme Track Toys both in their intended purpose and physical characteristics. They Hypercars typically come with more GT style interiors and have significantly higher top speed capability, while the Extreme Track Toys do away with comforts and weight and add aero for significantly better handling.
With a top speed of only 204 mph and grip levels only exceeded by a few of the other Extreme Track Toys, the Apollo’s numbers put it much more in the ETT camp than with the Hypercars. Going by the numbers, the Senna is more ETT as well.
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By ‘drivable’ you mean limited to 10 km/h like they did in Monaco ?
With the prototype number plates of the manufacturer …
I would still insist on calling the Apollo IE a hypercar. Why? Legally speaking (speaking from a car classification and roadworthiness perspective), the Apollo IE is still a road-going sports car. The McLaren Senna (based on your comparison) in this case is no better than the Apollo IE, so therefore, the Senna should have been classed as an Extreme Track Toys car from the get-go. Even the BAC Mono, using your perspective again, should have been classed as an Extreme Track Toy as well, but that car is roadworthy. The way I would class cars is not on performance figures, but rather the roadworthiness IRL.
Both the McLaren Senna and the Apollo IE have little in the way for creature comforts (especially the lack of leather, and little, if any, alcantara to dress up the interior), but still includes some basic luxuries IRL (Bluetooth, Android Auto, Apple CarPlay, a radio/stereo system, and (maybe) GPS navigation). Both have provisions for the installation of a racing harness as well.
So, in a nutshell, if a car can legally wear a licence plate (the car in question has to pass safety and emissions inspection first), then it is street legal, no questions asked or arguments made. Therefore it’s not “extreme” enough of a track toy. I would still prefer if the Apollo IE were still classed as a hypercar, because it is, but Track Toys would still serve alright if PGG insists.
Not only is it street legal. It IS a hypercar and should be grouped with them in game. All reviews and even the actual car’s web site from the manufacturer have it listed as a hypercar. The game developers goofed big time on this one and need to change it.
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Nice. When this is all hashed out, maybe somebody can explain why the Caddy CTS V is with modern muscle instead of super saloons. It doesn’t always make perfect sense.
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And why the Chevy Corvettes and Dodge Vipers are grouped as muscle cars of the appropriate era instead of sports cars/supercars for their appropriate eras. The car classifications from the United States and Europe, and their manufacturers say these are sports cars.
Unfortunately there’s issues like this all throughout the car roster. What’s even worse are cars like the Renault Clio FE which is miscategorized under extreme track toys, despite the non-FE car being a hot hatch, and the Ferrari FF and its successor the GTC4Lusso being in different classes (modern supercar and super GT respectively), and the Bentley Continental FE also being incorrectly classed as an extreme track toy.
It’s really sad to see these issues make it into the game, since I don’t think the devs have ever fixed a miscategorized car, even with some of the egregious mistakes in FM7. Would be nice if they would do a car fix patch to clean up all these sorts of issues, with enough warning and a list of changes so people don’t suddenly find their favorite car has changed categories.
Hopefully the next Forza game rethinks this categorization system and goes with something a bit more flexible. There’s quite a few cars that could fit into multiple categories.
I believe this happens because it allows similar cars from the same make to participate in more/different races. Think Corvettes and Vipers being all over the place with the divisions…
It’s what happens when people who aren’t car enthusiasts try to make car games. They should hire real car people whose only job it is is to double check every car detail as the developers make it or come up with it. Things wouldn’t be so silly then.
As Clarkson said (And I tend to believe he coined the term), in a track test of an LP 640. Supercar is meant to be playing with G Forces, a Hypercar - with G-strings. I’d say in that definition the Apollo clearly is not a Hypercar. It also is not a supercar, since it far surpasses the likes of a Ferrari 458 or a Gallardo or what not. Track toy is a very nice group for it to be.
And about the pace of the thing? Well, Im not the best driver around but I outrun my laptime by a few tenths in MC 12 Versione Corsa (or what was that awful thing called), so that’s basically racecar pace from a street car, it’s clearly a track toy.
Well as far as the Clio FE goes, being classified as a track toy is a special gimmick of the car. It’s specially tuned to work better as a track car, possibly mimicking the way “chavs” modify their Clios in real life. The same goes for the Bentley FE. It’s got the GT3 bodykit, better handling, the works so that it works better as a track car. Now the Ferrari FF and GTC4 Lusso being separated definitely sounds like a mistake.
I wish the Chevrolet El Camino was retro muscle instead of vans
I don’t understand why Mini Countryman is “Offroad”, 'cause on my opinion it’s more like a car for “Modern Rally” division. Since it has an AWD and a Rally prepared version, it’s more like Imprezas and Evos rather than brutal offroaders like Raptors, Rams, Defender, Colorado etc.
Lol, ‘brutal offroaders’ that include jeep willys. Anyway, if you even bothered to look at the Countryman, you’d have seen it’s clearly an SUV