Block or not to Block that is the question!

For anybody who wants to spend a little time reading this and posting a reply, thanks. I’m just trying to get a few people to put there point of view across, I don’t know if anybody has posted this before but I’ve never seen anything as such.

I’m not too bad at this game, I hold some decent times on the LBs, love tuning and trying them out in the MP lobbies (until the rammers come). But every now and then you always get that guy who just picks a really fast Muscle car and just bombs off down the straights, now that’s all alright but as soon as he hits the corners he slows down a lot, in fact he slows down that much you catch him and then also get stuck behind him, he gives no room for you to pass on the corners and knows as soon as he has a bit of open road he is off! My question is do you think it’s right to block these guys on the straights or to just let them fly by then hold you up on the corners? I personally have started making defensive moves against them, cos there is nothing worse to me than letting a guy past on the straight and then for him to hold you up through the twisty part of the tracks and not let you through. I know there is a driving etiquette but that just seems a little off to me :smiley:

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You should hold your line, in my opinion. Don’t make sudden moves to block folks, that’s bad driving.

Trying to use all of the road in an effort to make it difficult for someone to pass is A-OK, totally acceptable. However, if a guy has the gas to beat you on a straight, it’s just common courtesy to yield the line if he beats you into a corner. You shouldn’t be weaving around on the straights in effort to disrupt someone’s overtaking.

Of course, most folks in this game don’t adhere to proper track etiquette, so if you feel like blocking that’s up to you, but I would also expect that big muscle car to get a little pushy if I blocked it too many times or too obviously.

Just get him in the corners and race him as best you can. Being a gentleman racer is kind of a dying art, even in real-world racing. The Forza community would be a lot more fun for everyone if we all respected the rules of the road and each other a bit more. Just my opinion though! I try to live by my words as much as possible.

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Be prepared to get rear ended then.

If the muscle car is built right, it wont have a lot of handling and evasive maneuvers to avoid you on the straight can be problematic.

It depends on the car you’re in though. If you’re able to keep pace on the straights for the most part then do it wisely. I know the hondas can be built to pull very nicely on the straights.

I wouldn’t do it on Bathurst. If I’ve commited to a line and you block me at the last second you’re going into the wall or grass and I will not slow down or apologize. On tracks like that you can block by taking the preferred line and sticking to it or hog the middle of the track.

You against muscle cars or something? Lol.

You need to think ahead about setting them up for a pass on the next turn. If you know you can make a pass on the inside of a turn, make sure you move to the inside line of the straight and let them pass on the outside. Often if they are taking the outside line in poor handling car they will go wide on the turn too, making the inside pass even easier.

I wouldn’t intentionally block people, hog the middle of the road or weave around if they are that much faster and are going to make a clean, legitimate pass on the straight. If your speed closely matches that of the passing car then yes, make life harder to get past but still stick to the rules of racing - only one change of direction to defend.

Short answer: If they have the speed, let them pass. Anytime one tries blocking it increases the chances of contact and it is the driver who initiates the move that’s ultimately responsible.

That said, I find it extremely annoying to race one or two drivers who choose muscle cars when the rest of the field is not. Then what OP has described happens.

Yes, muscle cars are allowed but it would be good sportsmanship to be considerate and race “similar” cars as others.

I have to disagree, if he is catching the muscle cars in the corners with a lighter more agile car why can’t he pass and accelerate out of the corners faster.

How is it good sportsmanship? If anything racing a muscle car shows the guy wants to challenge himself. Its not like they are the easiest things to drive.

They arent hard to beat either. If things were drastically one sided then yea I can see your point.

There has been this discussion before and people don’t know the terms and don’t expect most to adhere to proper racing rules/etiquette. Cutting someone off or weaving back and forth to prevent someone from passing you just because you can move your car over isn’t racing. Not only is it not racing, but it’s dangerous. Defending is when you make the faster car approaching take the line that isn’t optimal, but only smart to do if you know how the upcoming corners will play out and where you need to be. Defending is also making one move and sticking to it, not moving back and forth. If racing was about moving back and forth whoever starts would win the race since they can just go left and right all day and since nobody wants to make contact just push cars in to the grass and take off.

apply formula 1 logic…

make one defensive move(not too late) and then its up to him/her to react and go the other way. If you give them enough time to react then provided they’re clean racers and want to win they shouldn’t just hit you. They may even need to slow a little taking the sting out of there straight line speed. That’s isn’t blocking it’s taking a defensive line on a straight, blocking would be weaving ridiculously trying to stop the inevitable from happening. This is just making them work a little for the pass and show that you have a bit of race craft in you. Do it too late then they will hit you and it’s your fault. Do it too early and they have loads of time to react. Like I say do it just right then they can react in time but may need to slow a little.

It’s your right to defend your position but do it responsibly, you’re racing after all.

Hope this helps

This is the logic I use also… granted, we are in the minority, and a majority of the offenders aren’t on this forum.

However, if it is someone is has a much faster car down the straight, I won’t waste my time or theirs trying to be a rolling roadblock.

Ditto this. Despite my long post- that’s for people I have a shot at winning against. I just try and make it so their pass of me, doesn’t require too much lost time for me so the people I’m racing with (not the guy I just let by because I all ready no he is going to beat me, don’t gain an advantage. I’ve see some dumb “let someone by” on the straights and had a person that I caught get mad at me because they should hold the position because they let some one by… I let the person hold the spot - but it was clear, I could have rocketed past them. Do it entering the turns, let them know they can pass - hold turn in late… guys that are fast don’t need a huge window, that way you can fall in right behind them and keep on rolling.

I late Ricky Tan, and others pass me like this all the time. or if side by side let off early so they get to the braking point a car length ahead of you and fall in behind them and try your best to ride their coat tails until they do what they do and pull away from you.

(What that guy that was getting upset (my mic didn’t work on the 50 lap race) didn’t realize is I had to let them by too… it’s not like he was waiting up for me when I let Bob Dixon and Zermatt by… he was hitting his turn and trying to get further up the road. So why should I hold up and race behind him…

Completely agree, this is how it should be done. Unfortunately this will always be rare on Forza. Fingers crossed for Project Cars…

I’m with the excepted racing rules on blocking… and Speed versus grip builds you just have to hope you have enough laps to gain in the see-saw battle if you are in a grip car.

Personally,
I would hold the correct line in most cases and make them pass on the inside of the me (closer to the apex) and late apex as much as possible to get more speed on the straight. Sometimes you have to do the counter intuitive thing and even delay entry into the turns to get enough space to allow a pass at the exit of a turn. You have to imagine where the car your battling is going to be and how it will take the turn and try your best to position your car and timing to take advantage of it…

I was in Honda Civic and a guy was in a camaro and he killed me on the straights but patience and hitting my turns enabled me to catch up allowed me to gain the upper hand. Sooner or later them starting from the inside gives them a terrible exit and it took 2.5 laps to finally get to the turn at Yas after the long straight first… but taking their set up away for a good exit to the straight allows you to lessen their delta on straight line speed at the end of the next straight. If I move to the inside, I stay there and I broad cast it, it is a slow, not abrupt and I don’t wobble, and I leave them the room… But 99% of the time it is just being patient - draft as much as possible and set your car up to take advantage of its strengths. and get as good of exits and take away their’s by making them start the turn on the inside.

Ultimately, it is just patience, hitting your turns and exits, and hoping they don’t. Sometimes you win, sometimes they win, but try not to become unsporting in the process, but rather accept the challenge.

If the tables are reversed - I try to do pretty much the same thing, I try and control the line, and if I have to be on the inside I brake earlier then normal, and try to get the best exit, I can possibly get. But usually it is much easier to control the race in speed car on speed type tracks then the other way around, at least you know where the pass is going to be, and the goal is to take the race line away from them, making them take the outside. ( re reading this- I could see someone thinking that I was blocking them in the turn ( becasue you would be a lot slower than normal at apex - but setting your self up for the best exit is just racing well - not necessarily a blocking move)

If I am holding them up, I usually let them go, by. A little good will goes a long way, considering the majority of who we race against. But if we are even and its a see-Saw battle, I just let it play out. To me it’s fun, to see who wins, whether you can execute - and to be side by side as much as possible. is fun. Just leave room for the other car and have fun and sometimes you have to put space between you and the other car to gain the advantage to pass them. If your opponent looks like the want to block you set them up to block inside, 3 turns or so before the turn to the straight that you want to go by them and pass them on the exit by late apexing -faint the inside let them move - roll back out to outside of the track and late apex and accelerate down the inside of them on the next straight. If they started the turn on the inside they will be on the outside of the exit — so you should have a clear track if time correctly. If it doesn’t work sit in behind them and try again or cede the position. I don’t normally do the bump unless I’m decidedly faster and they have a history of blocking. (Ie I can run 2:10’s and a car has blocked me for 5 laps doing 2:14s… theres a 25% shot of me giving you a love tap - if talking on the mic doesn’t work out and even then I’ll just sit in behind them until I make a mistake or they make a mistake. That’s racing.

The BMW got how many poles this year - great downforce grip car - clearly the fastest around a track at times… but a car with slightly better straight lines speed won more often than not. The can gripe or they can try to change it. (well they can;t really, but we can in Forza)

I think the clean racing rule is… Race your race. Drive your lines. If the other guy can get around you, fine. But that’s his challenge. Do not block at all. Do that enough and its you who could get reported. Don’t be tempted to resort to their tactics.

Thanks for the reply guys, I just wanted peoples opinions on this, when I said block I didn’t mean swerve around the road and stop them passing I meant take up a defensive line/position which hinders them not takes them out or you for that matter, I am a pretty good/clean racer, I don’t mind a bit of rubbing but I think you should be allowed to make defensive moves to hold your position.

Every car has a weakness exploit it every chance you get. Blocking is a strategy darting around on the road is foolish at high speeds. In team raceing blocking is a good strategy. Let your team pass and run away from the pack. Personally I don’t let anyone stay behind me if I can help it they gain speed of me let em pass then pressure the hell out of them to the point were they forget to brake then you gain huge leads on them.

I don’t have the game yet but, I will. I will try my hardest to be a very clean racer. That being said, don’t block going down the straights. Like one player said, use as much of the road as you can, but don’t weave around. If you’re able to catch up to him on the corners, go outside to inside, then inside to outside if you can. Sometimes, staying outside gives you more speed if your braking is on spot. What you can also do is stay inside the whole turn, forcing him to go outside, as long as you can pass him exiting the turn and gain the outside.

I’m not an experienced racer, but this was just a logic post IMO. Hope it helps.

Best race I have had so far…
Me in -77 TransAm And the other guy in some ferrari (don’t ask what ferrari, they all look the same) I had the speed, He had the grip, but we went side by side 3 laps while we were fighting for 3rd place, until I made a mistake. Sure there was some paint-swapping going on, but neither ended up on grass because of that.

I’m musclecar guy all the way, I try to make them handle at least decently, but quite often I find myself in fastest car on the straights. Or to be more accurate, I don’t have the fastest car, I just have the best acceleration. and I love the challenge what they bring for the driver, which in many cases has been my downfall. I don’t race to win, I race to race, and winning is a nice bonus if it happens to come by.

Anyhow back on topic, I prefer to avoid contact, if there isn’t big speed difference, or we are on narrow and twisty track like Nordschleiffe, my aim will be sitting just inches away from your rear bumper waiting for your mistake, if this situation keeps up very long and I know I’m faster than you, and if I can safely give you a little nudge I might do that. But if you try to swerve in front of me on Road Atlanta backstraight, and I don’t have enough time to reasonably safely swerve and avoid without risking losing control, don’t expect that I would slow down either, and highly likely I will have the weight on my side. Also, don’t expect me to be too polite with you after that incident, as in my eyes you are nothing but a rammer, How ever I will not intentionally take you out.

Interesting debate. I prefer a car to handle so like everyone else I get blocked through the corners. It’s not just muscle cars but anything tuned for straight line speed and/or acceleration really. If you block on the straight you only become the culprit and just as annoying as the guy holding you up in the bends. Either get by using race craft or finish behind him/her - I can’t think of a third option that doesn’t involve a wreck. That said, there are a lot people out there running drag type setups that are so bad at cornering they tank slap through every bend and just destroy the race for everyone else. I’ve been beaten many times by genuinely quick muscle cars but I’ve also been taken off a great many times by bad drivers who happen to be in muscle cars. So… It’s not what you drive, it’s how you drive it.