What’s considered more acceptable to passing someone: bumping and rubbing my way past someone, or sligtly cutting a corner?
I was in a rather even match with someone at the short COTA track. It was 6 laps, we were pretty even the entire way but he was holding me up slightly. I was doing my best NOT to simply grind my way past or stuff him in a corner but on the last lap I closed the gap a bit, he went wide and I went for the gap. The next corner had us basically side by side with me having the inside line and rather than just blocking him or bumping him off the line I cut the little kink before the last hairpin (for those of you familiar with that track that kink is a very high speed left that you usually don’t even lift off for).
Anyway, I cut the corner, avoided contact and held on for the win and then received a rash of angry messages regarding my poor choice of turns to pass in.
Therein lies the question. I used the track cutting to avoid simply smashing my way past. I had momentum and position - I didn’t expect him to lift off and let me pass (it was the last lap of a very close, clean race). Did I egregiously cut the corner? I think if anything all four tires were off the track but only by inches (not feet or yards).
[Mod edit - WSD - Really ? profanity in a response to me, right there ??]
I was just curious what the cinsensus opinions would be.
Two tires on the track would be ok in my book. If your running side by side and your on the inside you would have to brake earlier than if you were on the outside (racing line). The angle of corner entry determines whete you have to brake. I would try to keep two tire on the track and expect a little room to be given by the driver on the outside.
But, then again I have been personally run off the track by the outside guy insisting on hitting the apex even with me there…lol
If you are side by side then no the outside driver doesn’t have the right to the apex. If I had just the nose of my car next to his back tire then I would back off being first not fully along side and secondly in the other drivers blind spot.
Most of the time this only comes up in spec league races where one bad corner exit allows the driver behind to get along side before the next corner.
I agree with you 100%. I really wish there were more out there like us. Hold your goss dern line. I was racing the ForzaRC league the other night. First race, first turn dude on the OUTSIDE cuts me right at the apex. Second race Nurburgring Nordschleife 2 laps. I really wanted to race this one. Second turn, rammed in the rear, game over. I quit. So I put in my 2 attempts, should be able to get this weeks livery. Or do you have to complete a lap?
Edit: Oh wait I just remembered. I need to get at least 100 Points.
To the op. Keep 2 wheels on the track. It’s not your place to say he was going to make contact with you so you made an illegal cut.
As a general rule for me if the opponent’s car is more than about half in front of mine regardless of if I’m on the inside or outside I usually let them have it. Until some trust build up over a couple of races. You pretty much know who will purposefully hit you and who won’t.
@RP theZOGster - is that tighter inside line possible without lifting the throttle and moving to the outer track edge on exit. If not then you probably should have eased off slightly to leave him the room he needed. You cut to avoid bumping him - that is good but it sounds like you did cut.
Tough to decide without a replay but ultimately it’s your judgement as to whether you cut and did get an advantage, however slight - is one place really that important that you need to consider a decision to cut or not.
Like I said it was a very close race for the entire 6 laps. I was quicker than he was but not by much and not at evety corner. He had a car that was clearly faster in the corners and I had the '65 Mustang, which was, no surprises here, way better on the straights.
I would consistently catch him but not with enough momentum to get past him at an ideal place on the track without just dive-bombing into him. It was kind of a hasty decision on my part because with 4 turns to go on the last lap he was still ahead but he ran wide on one turn and I took advantage of it. I was ready to concede 1st place to him, but his running wide opened a door for me.
That “kink” can easily be taken at absolute full throttle because the turn before it is so tight and I did beat him to the apex, but I went onto the inisde curb to give him more room to get through the kink without forcing him too wide and, more importantly, not smashing into him.
Learn to use the strengths of your car against your opponents car. You were faster on the straights, which means you can get a faster corner exit. Next time, back off just a little bit going into the corner, adjusting your line for a better corner exit which will give you a higher speed by the time you get to the next braking zone. If your car is that much faster on the straights, getting a good exit should put you in front of the car going down the next straight. Corners in general are not a good place to pass unless you can really out brake your opponent. A general rule – if you’re not 3/4 the length of your car in front of the car you’re passing, you should give up the corner. In Forza, that means if the other driver can’t see you while using hood or bumper view, you probably shouldn’t be making the pass. This helps to avoid the other driver turning down on you through the corner.
I have cut corners or gone off track to avoid hitting other drivers. If I pass them, I’ll let them have the position back and try passing them again. If it’s the last lap, last few corners, and I know I won’t be able to get past them without risking a collision, I’ll just settle for what ever position I am in. If running in a league or race series with points, a few points are worth more than no points.
Slower cars win motor races all the time. It’s normal. If the guy in front holds a good line, doesn’t make mistakes and just manages to hold a gap on the straights then he’s earned the place even if the guy following could lap a little faster. Leaving the track isn’t a legitimate way to pass.
In a case which you described, I wouldn’t mind little paint swapping, 2 wheels on the track at all times, mistakes do happen and occasionally you might cut/extend few inces here or there.
But what it comes to passing in such a tight situation, tiny nudge, as long as the other guy doesn’t lose control / go wide etc… is totally ok. If he starts sliding, or loses conciderable amount of time/speed due the contact, you should back off and give the position back.
As i would put it “Rubbing is racing, but Ramming isn’t rubbing.”
I was the guy in said race,and i felt aggrieved by his decision to cut the corner to gain an advantage in overtaking me.After a bit of calming down,i let that go given as it was just one race and we had a nice back and forth race.On later races there was no aggression and we had more fun racing.
I didn’t want to name names. It was more of a moral discussion. You were clean and fast, and we had some good races after that. I wish I saved the replay to see it again. At the time it felt like I didn’t cut the corner too crazily, but who knows. I think it was mostly the fact that it took me 6 laps just to get into a position to pass you.
Listen,my final take is this.The overtaking happened on the little kink before the 90 degree turn that’s before the straight.We went both in,i had left you no space(intentionally) and you cut the kink going at least 3 wheels of the track and got ahead of me.Now,i will admit,i did think i held you up throughout the race and you could pass me cleanly before the main straight because you had better momentum.In the end,it is what it is,it was only one race incident and we moved on.No harm done and i certainly did not think less of you as a player as you demonstrated proper racing technique on the later races.
