Accurate power/weight for vehicle mods? I think not

Forza Motorsport Legacy Motorsport
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When will you guys(and girls) realize lots of your player fan base are in the automotive performance industry and highly educated in the field?
Some of the things I see in this game…I just don’t understand. For example…MOTORSWAP. LS1 motors…are aluminum, unless you buy one out of a truck,…none of which, are 5.7 liters… any 5.7 liter, would be all aluminum. So if I wanted to swap an LS1 5.7 into, lets say, a 1965 Mustang…you’d drop maybe a hundred pounds(450lbs cast iron oem to the 5.7 liter aluminum motor should be about 360lbs. So when I do the upgrade/swap…and the car gains weight,…it’s an insult to those that are “with it”. Sure, the 16 year old kid buying the game may not know but, the enthusiast do.

Adding FI(forced induction) onto any car…ANY car…ESPECIALLY a V8…should give you AT LEAST 120PLUS horsepower. Who comes up with a single turbo upgrade on a V8,…and only adding 50 horsepower? Again, it really is insulting. I dunno how you get your data…I dunno but it is WAY off. This is supposed to be a SIM, right? Fix the power add ons. Somebody MISSED A DIGIT!!!

Also, why all the off road vehicles? Why the 16,000lb off road truck? Did I miss something here, like an off road track pack? Sure, I bought an escalade but, have I EVER used it, nope…really don’t care to either. All the DUB wheels…are extremely ill placed as well. I just don’t get the thought process. You guys are being to LIB by trying to fit ignorant vehicles/wheels into the game…when we should be getting more sports cars.

I do a lot to defend the FM brand against my GT bragging fans… you’re not making it easy to agree with them on some of this garbage.

Step up your game, and find a better technical data crew.

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I always assumed the 5.7 small block swap in Forza was the old iron lump based on the original 350. Maybe I’ve been around the sportsman drag scene too long and am not with the new school tech…

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I saw an interview with Dan earlier this year about the accuracy of the vehicle upgrades. He said that they do them by car, so as to keep most of the cars competitive (so he says). What doesn’t make sense to me is why does a Mini Cooper need to be competitive with a Vette? I’m for competition within reason, but why does a D-class whatever need to be able compete with a GT3 car? I thought their motto was making gamers into car guys, guess not.

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Depending on how much boost you run and the original output of the engine, sure. Assuming the engine had the capabilities to handle the upgrade and nothing else changed, 1 atm would double your output. Less pressure, less output change. Less power to begin with, less output change.

You are correct in your post, at least in the idea. Just keep in mind that with the turbo or the supercharger it depends on what the engine components are, if they could even handle the upgrade, what the engine compression is, and how much boost you are running. Considering you can take a stock motor that would not be able to handle a forced induction upgrade running at even 0.5 atm, add no upgrades to it except for forced induction, and run it with the real world consequences you cannot seriously believe that it would give you maximum results.

Just think about it. What kind of parts does this require? Are you adding them? What kind of stress would that do to the motor? Would it add that much power?

I don’t play with simulations damage so I don’t know how this would affect it. Now I plan on trying it however. Take a naturally aspirated car, put on an aspiration conversion and upgrade it to race. Set your damage to simulation and go race —> does it damage your motor as you race all out? If not, the game may not be modelling it correctly?

Sure it’s a simulator but it’s more of a semi-sim, or sim-arcade. It’s not a pure arcade game but it’s no pure simulation either.

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Motorsport isn’t just about sports cars. That’s why we have 24 hours of lemons, International truck racing, Bog racing, drag racing, etc etc.
In other words pretty much any vehicle can be considered fro Forza if there’s a motorsport that does or could use it. So the 16,000lb truck is fine for people who want to do heavy truck racing, etc.
Just because you don’t like something…

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It’s a game. If you want to put an 8000bhp top fuel engine in a car why cant you do that? Why not a fighter jet engine and a solid rocket motor? Because it’s not in the game. The end.

I agree, I did the 24 hours of lemons, I wouldn’t advise it. Got so sour my lips turned inside out after a few hours

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Lmao I was waiting for a comment on the “24 hours of lemons” rofl… You know what’d help?? A juicer, some sugar and ice :joy:

Edit: wait what??? It’s a real thing?? That’s even funnier :joy:

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Not sure if you are just trying to be cute or what but the 24 hours of lemons is a thing. https://www.24hoursoflemons.com/

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I know, I know. :stuck_out_tongue: Lame joke, I felt this thread needed lightening up is all!

As for the jet/turbine thing being stupid, clearly they aren’t. It’s just strange someone professing to know so much…yet seemingly has no idea that a turbine car nearly won the Indy 500 in 1967 after dominating most of the race but for a unlucky failed bearing, a scant few laps from the finish line. Another one set the lap record a year later despite hasty regulations to try and slow them down. They were highly innovative and very fast, albeit somewhat heavy and unreliable as the technology was naturally still in it’s infancy and experimental- this was nearly 50 years ago we’re talking about here. A little bit more development and refinement, goodness knows how good they could have been. They were already too good for the establishment’s liking, they were banned shortly after that and so the story ended.

Not such a stupid idea.

I’m not even American or that well up on the Indy 500, I’m European and I don’t even care that much about it. But even I know about those exploits!

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Yes,…jet engines. I get it. Turbine boats, cars,and motorcycles have been around for years. No production(auto) vehicle has it, which is what Forza is based off of, typically. How about this, lets just concentrate on having cars that are achievable in real life…like a COPO…or a COBRA JET…etc…

As far as you blocking me, real manly thing to do. No problem here. My only regret, was that you didn’t block me sooner so I didn’t have to read your response.

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In fairness you were complaining (or so it seamed) that a turbo on a naff 200bhp pushrod “y” block should yield 120bhp and not the 50 the game provided. I’d say the game was about right. In general a lot (and I mean a LOT) of turbo kits are only good for 40 - 80bhp with no other mods except a map or piggy back. Your expectations are way too specific to be much use in a game with a generic upgrade path. Forza isn’t trying to be a technical masterclass in engine technology. It’s simply trying to be a game with some options for the player.

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Sure, ok. Again, I don’t have the results you have when adding HP to vehicles…but thanks.

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Yes,…jet engines. I get it. Turbine boats, cars,and motorcycles have been around for years. No production(auto) vehicle has it, which is what Forza is based off of, typically. How about this, lets just concentrate on having cars that are achievable in real life…like a COPO…or a COBRA JET…etc…

As far as you blocking me, real manly thing to do. No problem here. My only regret, was that you didn’t block me sooner so I didn’t have to read your response.

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In fairness you were complaining (or so it seamed) that a turbo on a naff 200bhp pushrod “y” block should yield 120bhp and not the 50 the game provided. I’d say the game was about right. In general a lot (and I mean a LOT) of turbo kits are only good for 40 - 80bhp with no other mods except a map or piggy back. Your expectations are way too specific to be much use in a game with a generic upgrade path. Forza isn’t trying to be a technical masterclass in engine technology. It’s simply trying to be a game with some options for the player.

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Sure, ok. Again, I don’t have the results you have when adding HP to vehicles…but thanks.

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LOL too true.

You probably googled all that though, because nobody else can know anything except the all knowing master of everything. Turn 10 should still let you bolt a Saturn V onto the back of a lawnmower in this game, I’m sure he has basically seen it, designed all that and worked with it already anyway :stuck_out_tongue:

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There no issue here. You question has been answered. Your just too thick headed to like it.

Its a games!!! Turn10 has make sure every balance.
On top of all that, Forza’s main focus is circuit racing. Most people that I see in lobbys cant handle 200hp civic now, they dont need 1800hp in anything.
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It’s been answered? I don’t think so. It’s not my problem if you’re from a place with small displacement as your daily pinnacle in life. We don’t have that problem currently. Also not my concern to discuss what people can, or cannot handle. My beef is the game adding a mere 45hp to a LS V8 after a turbo swap.

PS. Looking forward to circuit racing my 16,000lb vehicle on the roadcourse. Then I think I’ll circuit race my limo right after that. I mean,…why would be have a Daytona prototype(s),…when we can have a limousine? I mean, who’d want that?

Circus racing is more like it lately. :wink:

Don’t twist “my” post for anger. Can’t speak for anyone else. I find it funny, personally yet simultaneously disappointing at the same time. People are misreading, trying to take it personal but, if that’s how you take it then so be it.

Not a master, just educated. Not all the people that play games, are small children or some mid 20 year old kid that lives at home. Like it or not, TURN10 should listen to someone like me in regards to my *issues. You all seem to think I am asking for some stupid, unrealistic numbers. IT IS REALITY!!! Don’t be mad I don’t wait tables… :wink:

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O/T: I’m going to my 11th 24HoL race this coming weekend since trying it for the first time in June of last year - not sure what your sour comment references?

Edit: N/m - I missed the joke, but here’s the link to the real 24HoL: http://www.24hoursoflemons.com/

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Either it’s just a joke or he doesn’t realize that the 24 Hours of Lemons is actually a real thing lol.

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Doh! I shouldn’t post from work - I’m in too-serious mode too often.

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Pretty sure, based on the cars they use,…they re-use ALL of the vehicle data taken from the past few games. The geometry of the vehicles don’t change…so, I wouldn’t be surprised if they used all the intel on them.

It’s a game? Wow, intelligent response. Maybe you could stick around and solve a few math equations for us. Like, what does 1+1= ??? It’s an obvious statement that it isn’t in the game…hence my post, mr.sourpants.

The fact that it’s 2015,…going on 2016,…and we have cars with the power level CAP of cars in the early 2000’s. Believe me, I know, I was modding cars then too. If you’re not in the automotive know, I could see how it wouldn’t bother you cause hey, YOU don’t know, why would you complain? Performance is what I do for a living,…from Lamborghini’s, to Vipers, Corvettes,…whatever. My point is, times have changed. Big power in REAL life, isn’t hard to come up with, even on a given budget.

Look up STANDING HALF MILE race results,…look how fast cars go in a STANDING HALF MILE…or look at a FULL MILE. Cars are going 230+mph in the HALF…270’s or MORE in the full. A shop we’re friends with…the Performance Power Ford GT(I literally have the turbos off the car in a cabinet next to me) is planning on going 300mph in the STANDING mile. Not terminal top speed… just 0-1 mile. So, you could imagine(or maybe you can’t) what the power capability is. Like 2500HP…

Making a comment, an ignorant one, about why not a top fuel motor(which by the way, they’re about 10,000 plus horsepower,…my family and I are friends with several TEAMS…)…and why not a jet engine? Well, that would be stupid. That’s why. Stupid, and unrealistic. All I want is turbo kits that bolt on over a hundred horsepower…not 45 horsepower. I would like to see more power available in all cars that are being built. I have 4cylinder friends that make over 1000 whp in a FOUR CYLINDER…my LS2 makes 1250RWHP and it isn’t radical…so…you can throw out your ignorant comments all you want about my request/rant/straight forward statements… or you can just not comment at all. Don’t get all butt hurt cause I have a point here, sport.

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You’re a very angry person. It’s a shame you make silly assumptions about who I am and what I know, and go on the attack when I make a simple point. If you want a game about massively modifying cars then go and buy one or make one yourself, instead of moaning Forza 6 doesn’t have V8 twin turbo powered flying bicycles or whatever just because ‘it’s 2015.’ Hardly productive or intelligent in itself.

This is the game we have, this is the game everyone pretty much expected and this is the game Turn 10 advertised. No more, but certainly no less. Did anyone lead you to believe otherwise? Be angry with them instead.

Since when would you even just double most cars output and then not HAVE to do a massive load of supporting modifications the game does not actually require to then go racing? How long do you think a stock clutch might last on most cars that go from 300bhp to 700bhp coupled with similar torque increases for example? You can do that in Forza and drive around without a (clutch upgrade) care in the world. You wouldn’t get most production cars off the line on a full power start without turning it into itty bitty particles in real life, and that’s just the start of parts you’ll likely be evaporating before the first minute is up. It’s obviously only realism up to a point. Yet you’re funnelling rather surprising amount of rage on one small aspect of the upgrades. Try the big picture maybe?

It’s a game. Primarily a racing game, not a modifications simulator.

Also, a jet engine/gas turbine isn’t as stupid as you might think if you knew anything about the history of high speed racing or out there vehicles as you claim you do. Certainly suggests you aren’t quite as well informed as you might like to think.

Calm down my lad.

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Indeed, seen a few cars on nat geo that had jet engines on it, and it melted the bumpers/paint of cars that got too close to him on the road lofl.

On a side note, I’d just ignore that guy he’s too arrogant and hard-headed for his own good from the few sentences I read of his story book he wrote.

But anyways I won’t bother to respond to your childish gibberish Five-o, as I already clicked block to avoid your grown man child rants in the near future. Good-day.

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I agree with you. The problem though, is that in order for any of that to have any use or point in this game, they SERIOUSLY need to work on the drag racing part of the game. Staging, burnouts, all of that. Otherwise there isn’t much use in being about to build some 6 second door slammer with 1,700 hp. Like I said though I’m all for it, I’ve been screaming for some drag racing attention since FM4…