Good topic. A lot people thinks forza motorsport is like forza horizon. And yes if you playing in single player mode you can do what ever you want.
In multiplayer well…
I’m just tired of people in drift lobbies that get Indy Cars and purposely crash into people for [Mod Edit - Abbreviated profanity, profanity and profanity that is disguised but still alludes to the words are not permitted - D] and giggles.
The races are unfortunately incredibly short in length. Two laps around four-mile tracks, three laps around three-mile tracks. It’s always do or die from start to finish, because there is such little time to make up positions cleanly.
Easy.
The reason people don’t follow basic etiquette is because doing so won’t guarantee a win, or overtaking the guy infront.
Smashing people, blocking, etc, does. The win is everything, apparently.
It is a GAME though, you could be racing against a 7 year old who just likes cars.
It is people just moving pixels on screen there is nothing at stake. If you are the more skilled driver it is your responsibility to steer clear of people you dont know on track and seek out friends or private lobbies.
You know a public lobby is DEFINITELY going to be a free for all. You can’t magically make everyone else be copies of you.
Even Verstappen doesn’t do what is always expected on track in F1, so I dont see how you are going to get kids in their bedrooms to conform!
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Until they put severe penalties for ramming and intentionally wrecking people I’m just not going to play in public lobbies anymore. I’m tired of it. Just because you have more handling than someone doesn’t give you the right to pass that person. You do not have the right to ram that person out of the way. This is NOT a demolition derby. This even happened when people constantly kept trying to dive bomb my car that was BUILT for nothing but turning and braking. Common sense dictates you are not going to out brake that person etc.
I’m just done man. [Mod Edit - Abbreviated profanity, profanity and profanity that is disguised but still alludes to the words are not permitted - D] One of my favorite things about FH3 is you could choose to race in a ghost lobby then it REALLY came down to who was faster rather than a wreckfest.
It’s only blocking if you brake early.
I agree with all your other points and agree that It would be great if everyone could race. Especially the fast guys who can control a car but just view it as hot lapping. I.e they will not deviate from the perfect line even if there is a car in their way and then just moan because their lap got dirtied or call people slow for holding them up.
If your fast, go around. If your slow hold your line until it is safe to yield if you think thats the safest way to carry on.
In the faster cars slow traffic trying to get out the way can cause more accidents and appear to be deliberate wrecks. Drive predictably and fast cars will be able to pass cleanly. I here many slow guys accusing fast guys of wrecking them on purpose. Often it will be the slower cars irratic moves that results in a collision. The fast guys are trying to win the race not wreck back markers.
Nearly every new driver starts in single player. This is where the right behaviours should be rewarded and poor ones penalised. In the early game we all struggle for cash. Why not have 200% mod cards for zero contact and clean laps.
From Forza RC rulebook
Blocking - A driver may choose to defend his/her racing line so long as it is not considered “Blocking”. “Blocking” is defined as two consecutive line changes to “defend his/her line,” and in doing so, impedes the vehicle that is trying to pass with each of the two consecutive movements. If, in the case of side-to-side contact, one of the two cars leaves the racing surface (involuntarily) then it may still be considered “a racing incident.”
Right but you keep not answering the question. How are you taking the inside line
By moving to the inside line and staying on the inside line from the start of the straight and hugging the corner until the outside like you are supposed to. If you wish to pass you’re going to have to do it from the outside and if you can’t well tough luck, that’s racing for you.
Well hopefully if someone is passing you on the outside in a turn, that you hold the inside line tight and do not move to the normal exit line on the outside otherwise you’re at fault, for not maintaining the line you began.
[Mod Edit - Abbreviated profanity, profanity and profanity that is disguised but still alludes to the words are not permitted - D] Dive bombs are constant IE. I’m already turning, a car shows up out of nowhere and cannot make the turn without shoving me off the road which is a dive bomb especially when said car was well over 3 car lengths away.
Let me make this clear, I race as cleanly as possible and show people respect and I expect them to do the same for me. People enjoy having me in their private lobbies because I have an inkling as to how to race cleanly and how to avoid wrecks and I do not take risks if they can and will cause a wreck.
Perfect example of this, if I’m racing behind someone on a straight, I brake early because I don’t know what their braking line is (or I might) to prevent me ramming them from behind and we both get to take the corner. I also do not attempt to pass people on a chicane (which no one EVER backs down from) or on stupidly narrow parts of the track where passing leave no space for either car to do anything.
I also do not make passes that I KNOW for a fact would shove the other driver off the road if I take the inside line whether or not it’s due to the track layout or how my car handles. If I ever race in a pub again (which probably isn’t any time soon) I’d be more than happy to record my races and show you what I’m talking about.
Did you make 2 consecutive line changes to defend? If you did, you blocked plain and simple. Can’t really tell from that strange post. There are ghost leagues every week and a ghost lobby. Nobody knows your intentions. Is there a sign on your car? lol
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If someone is clearly faster than me I don’t see giving up the inside line as dumb, I see it as good etiquette. If I’m taking up the whole track to keep someone from getting by I expect to get bumped (not wrecked) out of the way eventually. Just because you’re in front of someone doesn’t mean you should stop their progress with blocking. If you are as fast as the guy on your bumper you should be able to hold your own running side by side or pressure them into a mistake after you let them by. Exceptions I have to letting a faster car by are if its the last lap or if they’re driving a leaderboard car like that 97 civic everyone is going to be in for next week’s hot hatch icons sim damage league. (I’m going to be hard to pass in my bmw but I’m not going to get upset when I get bumped out of the way after holding up one of those cars.)
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I was mostly just saying not letting someone faster by isn’t dumb. I guess blocking was too strong a term for what I was talking about. I shouldn’t have used the word you because I meant people in general not you. I didn’t think you would read it and think I was talking about you.
I do get upset when someone catches me and bumps me out of the way (not rams) before they attempt a clean pass but given that I’m playing public forza lobbies I don’t get upset if I get bumped out of the way after they’ve been all over me (not car lengths) for a lap or two. Which brings me back to the first point I was making and what I usually do which is get out of the way if someone is faster rather than building up the person behind me’s frustration to the point where they feel the need to move me out of the way.
When everyone is in a race and 2 players of near equal skill are competing for a spot and having near equal lap times how is it rude to continue on your path just because he was behind you the entire race?
Yes, it’s different if the guy was 5-6 seconds back and caught up to you and wants to pass (even then it is still your right to be there, not his and he should be passing you legally, if he/she can’t do that when he’s that much faster than you are then he/she either does not know how to race or is not as good as you think he/she is) but in most cases this isn’t what happens (at least not to me in public lobbies). The very moment that someone finally catches up to me they push me out of the way instead of attempting to pass legally and they don’t even STOP when they caused the wreck. That’s the most insulting part about it.
Take issue with this. If I move to block in the braking zone then yes I am blocking. If its before the braking zone, no it isn’t with the caveat that as long as it is part of a once only move. I wont move from the inside to block the outside then back to the inside in quick succession.
However if I defend the inside early then I reserve the right to gradually drift back to the outside in order to take the preferred line through the corner.
Its an immensely complicated part of racing etiquette which even F1, after almost 70 years, cant fully agree on
No it’s really not. Are you making your intentions clear from the get go? Are you shifting more than once (which is blocking as it was specifically given as a definition in this very thread)?
I think you’re completely misunderstanding what I’m saying. If the braking zone is 2 car lengths away and you decided to switch at the last second, that is not okay.
No need, I understand your post entirely.
An issue with some of the fast guys is that slow guys brake way earlier than needed and you (from fast perspective) are expected to brake in the brake zone. This will lead to fast guy moving to a side and dive bombing to avoid being brake checked.
Whether fast guy can pull of a dive bomb like a pro is a different story… There was times in lobbies, yas marina, where there would be 3 of fast guys all dive bombing around a slow guy into a corner, there would be no accidents.
The rest is common sense.