Why do I suck in RWD in FM5?

Ive been playing Forza since it first came out on the original xbox, I’m a pretty competent driver, I’m not pro by any stretch of the imagination but I can get into the to 200’s or better in some rivals time trials and can play single player AI on Unbeatable.

I’ve always played with NO assists (I use A for clutch) but I’m really struggling with RWD cars, it’s actually spoiling the game for me as some of the cars I used to dominate in from FM3 & 4 I just cant drive fast any more, For instance a mild S2000 B tune is just a unpredictable spins out for no reason (even tried it stock), I feel like I’m just nursing cars round the track scared to put the power down. Maybe its the new controller or the new physics are more realistic and I just suck at RWD or my tunes are wrong, I use a FM4 tuning app on my android phone to get a base tune then tweak from there to my style (works great for AWD and FWD so far).

I refuse to turn on TCS! Tried loads of diff setting combos with no joy, lots of rear downforce epic tow in, camber, sway bars all sorts. no idea what’s changed so much from FM4, maybe its the combination of all these things? (Pad, New physics, tunes are different) Basically my two problems are unrecoverable fish tailing, and excessive power slide exiting corners the cars don’t seem to want to be able to power down until the facing arrow straight after the corner exit, and bear in mind I’m talking about sub A class cars with no engine mods, so not like I can de tune the horsepower. No idea what I’m doing wrong or if anyone else feels the same?

I feel your pain brother. I feel like I need to lower the acceleration setting on the differential to 50 or below to keep from spinning out coming out of a turn. Hard to keep a feather touch on the controller.

I am going through a little of the same thing. I’ve got some RWD class C and D builds that are really tough to drive. I’m no expert tuner, but usually I can get cars to be more stable. I drive with all assists off too and low end cars like this handle more like RWD supercars on ice.

Tuning seems more or less the same (at least the basics). You can tune out some of the oversteer using the usual techniques, but not all of it it seems.

So far, the only solution I’ve found is to be super smooth on the throttle at corner exit. You have to be very smooth and use the feedback on the triggers to know when the thing is going to break loose. Even then most of my RWD builds end up really touchy and not very good.

Ok I’m glad I’m not the only one!! It’s a shame its almost impossible to get some cars that are RWD and close to class limit to drive well say a B549 to B600 almost like your forced to A class to get enough mods on to make it drive right.

needs more throttle control.

and turn off sim steering.

double post.

A tip for no TCS tuning RWD. If the car is sliding all over the place start with your ARBS at 30 front 10 rear. If it is still too loose raise the front to 31 and drop the rear to 9, and so on until it grips. It might sound weird but it works. I have like 3 or 4 S class cars that are even set at 40 and 1. I don’t run TCS on any of them and they can get loose but they grip as much as possible.

Also you need to run your Accell differential up high. I run all mine around 65%-85%.

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Ahh dude, your a legend, the ARB fixed my issue!!! I can actually drive the TVR Sagaris now!!

My question: Do you even know what certain settings do to the car?
For example;
If you made your front springs softer in relation to the rear, do you know what characteristics would change?
If your answer is more oversteer well that’s VERY vague!
It’s like saying if you take 1 step you have moved forward… well no… I wouldn’t have guessed that Sherlock!
Sorry if you may have found this offensive, but what I’m saying is if your changing settings and not knowing what they do, what is the point of tuning?
I quote from the ‘Sound of Music:’
“When you know the notes to sing, you can sing most anything”
Sorry again if you found me quoting from the Sound of Music weird but it’s a good example.
Hope this helps,
RR

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I know what each setting does, but my problem was I was being to subtle with my changes and not adventurous enough with the extremes, who knew 40 ARB front and 1 rear was a sensible answer to making my car handle better.

It hasn’t. You’ve just made the rear end drag and feel saggy

Your not getting it! The fact that you didn’t try it shows that you don’t understand!
Tell me now what characteristics has it changed - and I’ll tell you if your right.

Hard to explain this myself even though I have been playing since Forza 1 but I find RWD cars are hard to handle myself, and yes I play with some assists on like tcs but all others are off and braking line only. More power means more torque and sometimes too much torque can cause the problem as your pulling the car too much, but a good setup on the car will always do the trick just gotta trial and error with the setups till you get it just right! I’m an aggressive driver myself so I’ll brake late into corners and power out as straight as possible! That’s what happens when you been watching Formula 1 for over 20 years you learn a few tricks from the worlds best lol! Take care and good luck!

Same here watched a lot of motorsport since the late 80’s, I drive very much the same as you hence why I was having problems with RWD’s.

I was losing back end heavy breaking into corners and getting bad power-oversteer exiting corners I increased my front rebound and bump helped with weight transfer which gave me some more grip on the rear also much stiffer ARB on the front did wonders, and read worms advice on diff settings which seemed to bring it all together and totally changed most of my RWD cars, apart from the R500 trying to make that drivable without aero and TCS which is a challenge lol.

But your not telling me what it does to the characteristics apart from what i said, which is vague, saying that it stops oversteer. What you described i could solve in 5 seconds why? because i know what to do meanwhile, you have to to test the car because you don’t understand what it is doing! Do you get what I mean?

I appreciate what your getting at, and like I said in my original post I’m no expert, but surely testing the car to see what difference your changes made is a fundamental part of tuning? I might not know exact terminology or exactly what settings affect each other in detail and I wont pretend too by explaining everything I did to you as I will probably just end up looking stupid.

but the help I have received has boosted my understanding a lot more, If you want to chip in and explain causes of my problems and changes to affect the cars handling and why they work I would be grateful as I know ONR are very experienced drivers and tuners and I’m always willing to learn from better drivers.