Please stop making all Festival items E related :(

Apart from all the gases produced to make the electricity…
Bio-Fuels for older car so we can stop scrapping them and save even more waste.

There’s no denying that batteries eventually add to landfills. You can’t argue against that reasonably. And any reasonable person can agree, the petroleum reserves will eventually expire.

The only reasonable replacement is a bio-fuel or a synthetic petroleum replacement. Eventually, scientists will prevail.

Yep - not just the batteries but the mashed up square chunks of metal.
We need to keep re-using the existing cars as long as possible and stop the waste.

I find your faith in scientists both refreshing and frightening lol…

…let’s say the track record is wide and hilly, both amazing heights and depressing lows. I tend to pin my hope to science too but science alone is not the answer, often as not it has been the problem. A related automotive topic of one of the lows is leaded gasoline if anyone is of a curious nature to look into the history of it. Let’s say… responsible scientists are needed.

There’s no doubt that current batteries are problematic, but battery technology is growing at a rapid pace and eventually they’ll be able to drive for months or even years without needing charging and also last for many years before needing to be replaced.

We can’t just give up on them because they currently have disadvantages and add to waste. That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t be developing alternative and renewable bio-fuels, though.

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I don’t know how old you are, but I grew up with leaded fuel. My dad was a truck driver in the days of high sulfur diesel. I played with the original hot wheels and matchbox cars painted with lead based paint. All my old plastic toys including my original lego blocks contained lead. The paint on our house was lead based, inside and out. I drank out of Disney and Looney Toons cartoons glasses with lead based characters painted on them.

And you mentioned leaded fuel?

First off, I have absolutely ZERO faith in science. My faith rests in God alone.

As for the past failings of science and the “expectations” of the future. Science is a learning experience and process. Which is why most all of the items listed above, no longer contain lead, and diesel is now low sulfur.

I’m 63, and every day I’m learning something new. Each day I live, I learn. Look, listen, seek, learn. Science is evolving every day and new things are coming about. Tomorrow will be a different day.

I just re-read your post and had to laugh. You said “science alone is not the answer”.

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What is then? Is it Doc Brown, falling off his chair and getting a vision of the flux capacitor?

:sweat_smile::rofl::sweat_smile::sweat_smile::rofl::sweat_smile:

That kind of battery will never happen for two reasons.

  1. Marketing won’t allow it.

  2. Technology to make that kind of battery will require some elements of nuclear technology and that won’t be allowed.

I answered that. Responsible science. And I’m in my 60’s too so our experience is similar. I mentioned leaded fuel because at least that is car related. And to “responsible science” they knew lead was a problem as a gasoline additive but it was too big a profit to turn down and killed millions, conservatively. It wasn’t removed because we learned from a mistake, it was removed because it became impossible to ignore the health issue. Just like many times before when science offered two roads, profits or caution, and profits won. Which is not to say you’re wrong about it being a process, and certainly not all science is bad but I’m always, let’s say, disappointed, when it comes to the science people trust vs what they don’t and why, more often because of who and how many dollars are at stake. But, we’re straying close if not over the forum line in this discussion.

Let me guess, it’s just 10 years down the road… :wink: It’s ALWAYS just 10 years down the road. Never mind AnakalRon’s good reasons, it won’t happen simply because of physics. Energy density is reality. All the promised miracle batteries I’ve seen in the last few years ignore that.

There are already EV batteries that can go months between charges. The next step is to make them affordable for a consumer facing vehicle.

Range ? Speed ? Charging time ? Available weight ?

Going months between charges means nothing. It’s only useful if it can travel a good distance at reasonable speed between charges, require short recharge time, and move a useful amount of people/cargo. And then address a whole host of other issues. Not saying it’s an impossible problem, but nothing I’ve seen yet is the miracle many are promising, or I should say selling. For the foreseeable future EV is a niche product. One that ignores the bigger issues of course, but that’s a much tougher nut to crack, for reasons.

Responsible science is science that learns and adapts as it learns about the changes and challenges. We didn’t even really know air pollution was that much of a problem until the late 60’s.

We could debate the state of lead ad nauseam. But the core is that science can adapt to the necessary changes and learn.

I know it sounds weird but it feels like borderline propaganda at this point.

“20 years down the road the average person will be driving a soulless pile of plastic and electronics, and so ahead of time we’re filling our games out with them to prepare you :)”

EVs honestly shouldn’t be much more of a gimmick anyways, the effort required to create them still pollutes massively and it’s been proven that the concept of a “carbon footprint” is all just a load of BS made up by megacorporations to push the blame of global warming onto the average person, punishing them and forcing us to change our way of life while those trillion dollar companies making millions with monopolies and goverment bailouts while still being able to pollute and ruin the planet more than the entire fleet of every V8 muscle car ever made doing burnouts simultaneously

sorry about the rant haha funny car game lol

20 years? How about now? The Mustang, Camaro, and Challenger of today are great versions of the historic models of yesteryear. But they will never be the classic cars their predecessors are. They may be faster and handle better, but they are plastic and electronics with no soul. Once their plastic rots and the electronics fail they will just be landfill.

lucky this is the last week of this series then
hopefully its the last of it

If it’s not the last of it, and they add a couple hundred more EVs while restricting events to EVs for several months, at least the people crying about how the game is filled with EVs now and we’re living in a prophetic virtual dystopia bereft of combustion engines won’t look like complete lunatics anymore.

If you were born deaf, you wouldn’t know any difference - so it wouldn’t matter one way or the other.

But, nice try!

How are we supposed to try to oretend to be born deaf? :thinking:

I’d rather imagine being someone who doesn’t look to be outraged everywhere they go.