On my Xbox it is named GSW Challenge, but it was a rename from Test originally. I only have the one so maybe the name just doesn’t show up correctly. I see 5 downloads of it so hopefully that is you all. Date on it is 3/6/2014. 562HP, 398 LB-FT, 2,855lbs, 56%.
Hopefully that matches.
My tune for this competition is available. No aero tune. Very light, and very well balanced in my opinion. May not have as much horsepower as some of the other entries but I feel that it does make up for it in other ways. Cannot wait to see what everyone has to say about it good or bad.
It is an abomination to make this car AWD but hey it’s a video game.
Name: GSW AWD
Car: 2002 Corvette Z06
I finally beat my X-Bow with two cars. 65 Shelby Daytona and 92 Escort RS Cosworth. I put the Daytona aside and tweaked on two Escort tunes after Krawler submitted his but most of the gains in time were driving related. When I went back through all (ten+ ?) cars that I built up the Daytona was at least a half second faster. So since you already payed the big bucks I’m in with another tune for it.
GT: crash220
Car: 65 Shelby Daytona
File: GSW AWD COMP
Paint: Daytona
All my current pb’s are with the Daytona but none are actually with this tune. Tune was born at Road America and Sebring Short may actually by Krawler’s tune. My Sebring tune was 2 sec slow at Road America and my Road America tune was 2 sec slow at Sebring. Fingers crossed that I found the correct mix.
The Escort runner up actually maxed out at A692 and is also shared with paint for the curious. I just couldn’t tune out a very slight under steer. I so wanted to submit the Syclone or the A692 car but the Daytona was just better all around and I’m glad I found something other than the X-Bow.
I’ll post some comments on each car and the things I learned along the way but right now I NEED some sleep,
Crash
…and it was only 10,500 different from the other build, thank you 
Sebring Club (I’ve run everything except for the two most recent additions)
I’m running 9 laps in Freeplay mode, No assists other than braking line.
Full lobby of drivatars on “unbeatable” but with collisions set to off.
<-----New times run tonight-----
<------Evo VI: 1:06.388
<-----97 R33 Skyline: 1:06.867
'65 Alfa GTA: 1:07.033
<------'02 Skyline: 1:07.072
'06 Audi RS4: 1:07.239
'65 Shelby Daytona Coupe: 1:07.240
<------Ford RS200: 1:07.261
'08 Viper: 1:07.332
BMW 2002 Turbo: 1:07.909
Citroen D3: 1:08.204
'69 Z: 1:08.243
<------Audi Quattro: 1:08.414
"10 VW Golf: 1"08.723
Some quick thoughts about each car, in the order as above:
(EVO 6)<–another of those ralley whistling engines, must drive accordingly with the short shifting at 5500 rpms, rotates well, zippy acceleration, times continues to get quicker and quicker each lap.
(97 Skyline)<–good sense of grip front to back, gearing was good compared to the other skyline as I didn’t need to exit 5th, this seemed to help, little transitional overstear when I started to push lap times
(65 Alfa)-Quick, short/zippy gearing, rotates well but slides out in rear
(02 Skyline)<-----front end felt like it was floating, rotated well, really enjoyed the brake and brake bias on this one, negative was the gearing being short and I spent a lot of time going through three gears at corners, car felt fast, don’t know why it wasn’t quicker on lap times
(Audi RS4)-very quick acceleration, great rotation, feeling of less grip in the rear resulted in some lifting when approaching apex.
(65 Shelby)-rotates well on and off throttle, feeling of less grip in the rear resulting in some lifting approaching apex.
(Ford RS200)<-----lap times were really inconsistent, would feel faster but would be four tenths slower, felt slow, would be up four tenths, just was confusing, front end floated a bit, I struggled during the 9 laps to decide whether it was better to be in a taller gear, or shorter gear exiting, rotated well only when hitting the braking zone correctly.
(08 Viper)-consistent grip from front to rear, good rotation, controlled under breaking
(BMW 2002)-consistent grip, heavy under braking resulted in earlier brake zone, sometimes missed turn in point prior to apex
(Citroen)-understear under throttle, good acceleration, difficult to rotate.
(69 Z)-inconsistent from lap to lap, had quick sections but couldn’t link them together on one lap, overstear off throttle past apex.
(Audi Quattro)<----LOOOONNG gears wow. Fun, but wow, a real big departure from the rest of the cars here. This resulted in some lock up at corners as I seemed to always be in between 2nd and 3rd, and in some sections I had to choose between bumping in 3rd or having to quickly go up and then back down a gear, understear during braking and I missed some corner entries do to that, less feeling of grip in the front
(VW Golf)-understear under throttle, little sense of grip, braking was inconsistent leading to poor corner approach
Sebring Club (I’ve run everything except for the two most recent additions)
I’m running 9 laps in Freeplay mode, No assists other than braking line.
Full lobby of drivatars on “unbeatable” but with collisions set to off.
<-----New times run tonight-----
Evo VI: 1:06.388
<-------Audi TT RS Coupe: 1:06.672
97 R33 Skyline: 1:06.867
'65 Alfa GTA: 1:07.033
'02 Skyline: 1:07.072
<-------Acura Integra: 1:07.073
<-------'65 Shelby (Crash): 1:07.195
<-------Subaru 22b: 1:07.204
'06 Audi RS4: 1:07.239
'65 Shelby Daytona Coupe (SmG): 1:07.240
Ford RS200: 1:07.261
'08 Viper: 1:07.332
<------'11 Scirocco: 1:07.523
<------"92 RS Cosworth: 1:07.681
BMW 2002 Turbo: 1:07.909
<-------'02 Corvette Z06: 1:08.065
Citroen D3: 1:08.204
'69 Z: 1:08.243
Audi Quattro: 1:08.414
"10 VW Golf: 1"08.723
Some quick thoughts about each car, in the order as above:
(EVO 6) Another of those ralley whistling engines, must drive accordingly with the short shifting at 5500 rpms, rotates well, zippy acceleration, times continues to get quicker and quicker each lap.
(Audi TT) <--------This car ended up being fast, but I have to be honest with the fact that I could not find the proper braking zone on entering the first corner on any of the 9 laps I ran…so I missed the apex almost each lap, good acceleration, felt very flat throughout which made it feel like it had grip on all four corners, little tire scrub exiting corners at times.
(97 Skyline) Good sense of grip front to back, gearing was good compared to the other skyline as I didn’t need to exit 5th, this seemed to help, little transitional overstear when I started to push lap times
(65 Alfa)-Quick, short/zippy gearing, rotates well but slides out in rear
(02 Skyline)Front end felt like it was floating, rotated well, really enjoyed the brake and brake bias on this one, negative was the gearing being short and I spent a lot of time going through three gears at corners, car felt fast, don’t know why it wasn’t quicker on lap times.
(Acura Integra)<--------Seriously ran a quicker lap with each lap, amazing how it just kept getting quicker when it seemed to be underpowered and out accelerated by most of the other cars, rotates ok off throttle, rotated better on throttle, it was easy to push hard, did everything that Sebring asked for.
('65 Shelby/Crash)<------LOVED this car, did everything Sebring asks for and did each of them well, only draw back was the gearing,if it had slightly taller gears I think it would have been better, staying away from 6th gear, and a couple of corners I was stuck having to shift up, then immediately back down. less gear changes probably would result in faster lap time.
(Subaru 22b)<-------Beautiful in the transition sections, but I just couldn’t get it to rotate in the slow hard right handers unless I used 1st gear of the handbrake…but then it just sucked the time away from the lap times.
(Audi RS4)-very quick acceleration, great rotation, feeling of less grip in the rear resulted in some lifting when approaching apex.
(65 Shelby)-rotates well on and off throttle, feeling of less grip in the rear resulting in some lifting approaching apex.
(Ford RS200) Lap times were really inconsistent, would feel faster but would be four tenths slower, felt slow, would be up four tenths, just was confusing, front end floated a bit, I struggled during the 9 laps to decide whether it was better to be in a taller gear, or shorter gear exiting, rotated well only when hitting the braking zone correctly.
(08 Viper)-consistent grip from front to rear, good rotation, controlled under breaking.
('11 Scirocco)<------Oh how my hands were so tired after these 9 laps…another whistle ralley tune, so drive accordingly…but then realize that this guy has no aero, wow. Rear felt great, but really felt little sense of grip in the front.
('92 RS Cosworth)<------3rd gear felt sluggish, rear snaps around when downshifting at corner entry…you had to be properly slowed before downshifting.
(BMW 2002)-consistent grip, heavy under braking resulted in earlier brake zone, sometimes missed turn in point prior to apex.
('02 Corvette Z06)<-------Felt very good for no aero, well done as your goal to prove what mechanical grip can be was reached. Only had one corner where the front end did not play nice. this car had the same feel as the 92 cosworth with the snap on some downshifts. In a sense this helped it rotate, but you definitely had to be ready as it was severe as time.
(Citroen)-understear under throttle, good acceleration, difficult to rotate.
(69 Z)-inconsistent from lap to lap, had quick sections but couldn’t link them together on one lap, overstear off throttle past apex.
(Audi Quattro)LOOOONNG gears wow. Fun, but wow, a real big departure from the rest of the cars here. This resulted in some lock up at corners as I seemed to always be in between 2nd and 3rd, and in some sections I had to choose between bumping in 3rd or having to quickly go up and then back down a gear, understear during braking and I missed some corner entries do to that, less feeling of grip in the front
(VW Golf)-understear under throttle, little sense of grip, braking was inconsistent leading to poor corner approach
2001 Integra up. Filename GSW AWD. Difficult beast to get working but was the only one of the seven I picked that would actually hitch up its skirts and go. May God bless all who sail in her …
Xbl messages from Gaz & Loco
Gaz '11 VW Scirocco
Loco 22b
@SCH
If there’s anything I can do to help, I’ll be happy to. Always fun trying to learn more about going faster lol
for some reason, the changes you suggested left me at S701. I ended up putting the first rollbar upgrade and the first driveline upgrade to get me to 700.
running it now with a bit less on the front sway bar from the setting I currently have loaded to my sharefront.
I think I might’ve changed the rims to keep it at A700. Either that or maybe different driveshaft upgrades. I don’t recall off hand lol.
tunes up
92 RS Cosworth
paint available also
Good Luck to all!
Sorry for the late entry, I’d like to join if possible.
I’ll have my tune available in a couple hours. Sorry about the last minute upload!
Car: 1994 Mazda MX-5
Tune: gsw awd
Paint: gsw awd
Finally got something I was happy with, went with the first car I built out of 6 or 7, it was the fastest for me overall.
Car: 2002 Nissan Skyline GT-R V-Spec II (R34)
Tune Name: GSW AWD Comp
I have all cars submitted up to this point.
@Spoiled Jamie – Very nice ZO6, I gave up too early. No Aero and race compound resulted in more grip than what I was trying! I couldn’t tell it didn’t have any aero except it looks WAY better clean and stock. I think it was faster around the Carousel at Road America than any of my cars. Just a touch of over-steer to make it fast and nicely matched gearing. I suspect the close 5/6 was to compensate for the different tracks. Ran a 2:20.410 at Road America in 5 laps which is about where I was running my Escort tonight. The Escort has seen 2:18 and the Daytona has seen 2:16.1 chasing Krawler’s Ghost but I was off this evening so 2:20.4 is respectable.
@T-Joe – Another Escort so either way I was going to be up against the same car. Some how yours managed to feel more like my Daytona than my Escort and I didn’t detect any under steer. Well Done! The gears didn’t seem matched to Road America and I wanted to either forget about 6 or get into it much sooner but felt I was needing to shift when I didn’t want to. I also struggled with locking up the brakes and wasn’t able to get a decent time but based on my rival I was on a 2:21/2:20 pace. By 3 laps I’d figured out that I liked your chassis setup better than mine but wanted my brake bias/pressure and the 1.6L rally engine with my gearing. Both my builds were lighter with more horse power and better grip/brake specs. I’d love to try yours with the 1.6L and would be happy to share my gear ratios once I find my Escort notes. I may even open source the whole tune.
Crash
Now that I finally got some sleep I’ll share some of the things I learned. The first is that I really like Road America. East favors Power and West favors grip so when you put them together you end up with a well-balanced car. There are lots of different turns and elevation changes to flush out the car. Patiently waiting to see how well it worked.
‘65 Shelby Daytona: 2,238 lb/475 Hp - I’m happy with the way this turned out. Krawler’s is on rails but I tend to de-rail a lot and that made it slow for me. I spent a lot of time trying to get 835 Hp to work in this car and in that process settled on very different camper settings that let the car keep turning at full throttle. Rear is low and actually goes positive in the turns – weird. Mine is like running on hard clay and has a more gradual edge that lets me be sloppy and fast. At Sebring Club I found a setup more like Krawler’s worked better but since SCH appears to have excellent throttle control I went with a tune in between that rotated better and was more “Loose” Road America than “Hook-up” Sebring. Someone had to get a tune unmatched for their track and I’M BETTING that YOU SirChickenHeart will make it work! It was amazing what an extra -0.2 deg of camber on the rear wheels did. Although I’m easily 2 sec faster in my car, I actually like Krawler’s tune better and will not be surprised when it comes out on top. Mine still gets upset on the quick switch backs of Sebring and YAS and as much as I tried it still randomly bounces the rear tire over the large YAS rumple strips. I need to extract a still photo of the two wheel 45 deg angle of bank run through the second to last turn at YAS! I rolled it more than once before I raised the ride height. Somehow my build came out 15 lb lighter, some but not all came from the race trans. I did attempt to tune it, gears 4/6 set for Road America with 3/5 tweaked for Sebring. 1st was set for Sebring and YAS but I’m thinking 2nd actually works well so I probably could have gained a few extra horses by closing up the gears. With 5 & 6 closer together than the others it sometimes works better to shift into 6th before 8,000 rpm instead of at or after. I contemplated putting slightly taller gears in the diffs anticipating faster lap times out of our “STIGs” but elected to leave it alone. Really hoping it’s not geared to short!
’92 Escort RS Cosworth: 2382 lb/497 Hp - I really thought this was going to be the car. Once Krawler threw his in, I actually painted it “Retro Shelby Daytona” anticipating that I would submit it instead of the Daytona. I had two builds one A692 with the 1.6L rally engine and one at A700 with a naturally aspirated 3.9L. A700 was all of ONE messily pound heavier and had 5 more Hp. The power was, however, right up next to the rev limiter. The rally build could afford all the extra bits like the race trans so with some close ratios and a flatter curve the average Hp was actually higher on the A692 build and it usually came out on top by a few tenths. I got the gears so close that I was actually shifting at 5200 rpm. If you waited until 5500 rpm you ended up in front of the peak that looks like it is around 4800. I found that if you let it pull from 4000 out of the turns and rev over 5500 going in you could avoid a few 4-5-4-3-4 shifts and just keep it in 4th. Faster with a whole lot less fuss. 5-4-5 worked better than 5-6-5-4-3-4-5 also. You didn’t have the over rev option with the 3.9L and needed the extra up/down shifts. Unlike the X-Bow you can actually read 5200 on the dash tachometer so I didn’t need telemetry up to race. Sebring Club with the short shifted 1.6L was literally a hand full with turn/break/shift/throttle/turn all going at the same time. The more spread out gears and ever increasing power curve of the 3.9L could be faster at Sebring. The problem was losing front grip at the end of a turn and drifting wide, most noticeable going around the Carousel. When you got too fast and started drifting wide the reaction to add more steering appeared to cause the front to lose even more grip. If you actually took it back out it would grip again, unfortunately you were now too wide. I noticed sitting at the starting line that when you turned the wheel full left/right negative camber would increase but right near the end it would actually start decreasing. I don’t remember seeing this before so I may keep working on this car. Showing up with A692 has to be worth something! I really liked this car but trusting that it was still competitive after giving the field an 8 PI advantage was hard to believe. Oh look, T-Joe just submitted one - looking forward to testing it out.
‘13 KTM X-Bow: 2,021 lb/ 435 Hp - First try was with my top 100 capable X-Bow from Prague. All I had to do was add the AWD and put on some Drag tiers to keep it in class. Dropping the pressure to 27 psi (seems to work with drag tires) and suddenly with AWD you could drive it with TCS OFF! I was even able to turn the rear wing from full to min down force. It would build with stock tires but that needed the smallest restriction plate and lost power. The small increase lateral g was easily outweighed by the phenomenal braking and strait line grip of the drag tires. It could probably be even faster if I worked on it some more but it already dominates A class and frankly I didn’t want it to be fast. It has no problem decelerating/accelerating and as long as you get off both the brake and throttle it will roll around the corners. Ultimately it takes 10 laps to readjust to unique way you need to drive it and 10 laps to unlearn and drive anything else so I chose to avoid it for the competition. But OH that first lap – easily within 3 seconds of lap 2 and possibly 5 seconds faster on lap 1 than anything else I drove – Lobby? The problem was that the tires were fading halfway through lap 2, you got a 75% wear caution on lap 5 and it was completely un-drivable when the tires hit 100% wear somewhere on lap 6. Laps 3-5 were consistent but you really needed two 5 lap warm-up sets followed by a 2 lap qualifying run. A single 5 lap set just wasn’t going to post a great time. If I keep telling myself that I may actually believe it! lol
'91 GMC Syclone – 3154 lb / 825 Hp - I wanted this to work and tried the stock turbo, 5.7 turbo, and 5.9 NASCAR engines but ultimately it was too heavy with no way to add the grip it needs for A class. I wasted too much time on this one. The 2,937 lb/578 Hp 5.7L build with full grip may, however, be competitive with the proper driver. Hauling 3150 lb down from 180 mph was too much momentum to stop with just the front tires once ALL of it shifted forward, even with drag compound. With 3.8 lb/Hp I kept thinking it would work better than the Daytona at 4.7 lb/Hp or the IROC at 4.5 lb/Hp but ultimately it was stopping and a lateral g less of than 1.0 at speed that did it in.
Others I tried – most ran with the pack and were capable but the Daytona and Escort bubbled up to the top.
’66 Ford GT 40 MK II – I had a decent A class tune and with my B class torque motor I thought this was going to be better than it was. Not bad just not the Daytona. This was actually my first thought when I saw this post.
‘61 Jaguar E-Type - This has potential but the Daytona got fast first and I set it aside.
’02 Corvette ZO6 – This was the most disappointing slowest car I built. I can’t wait to see what Spoiled Jamie came up with. I like Vette’s and have all of them but only my C class C1 is competitive. Now that my entry is in I need to get back to that Road America monthly challenge with the C1.
’70 Corvette ZR-1 – This is one of my favorite cars to drive both RD and AWD but I just can’t make it fast enough. Now that I have this great list of followed tuners it might be time to go tune shopping!
’90 Camaro IROC-Z – My B600 Firebird GTA is fast at Road America East but it’s DLC so I thought I’d give the Camaro a try. Tried both 3,733 lb / 825 Hp and 3011 lb/583 Hp builds but I couldn’t find that magic grip that TN Eagle found in the budget comp. Hauling 3,733 lb down from 180+ MPH at Road America was challenging!
’02 Camaro SS – This was a contender but I was using the suspension from gtFOOTw’s open source tune so it was more of a “set the bar” build. It was my build but not my tune.
’77 Firebird Trans Am – my B class HOTLANTA tune pumped up with AWD and more power. Not bad but this car is just always slightly off the pace, moving on. I never got to the Audi, Subaru, or Honda’s I wanted to try. I was itching to try the Civic CRX.
I had SkiMizer43 helping with the testing and he caught the bug and built up two cars that I threw a quick tune on.
13’ Audi RS7 Sports Back – Too heavy
BMW M1 – Ran out of time, it was time to pick one and refine it!
A bunch of people found my test Escort tune that I shared for SkiMizer and it might have actually been my most popular/highest rated tune before I took it down to share the final product. Go Figure! Did I get it right??? Was the Daytona really better???
Let the racing begin,
Crash
Sorry everyone, real life has really taken over this time, I’m free after today which is typical as I’ll miss the deadline by a day which is a real shame as I was looking forward to this, as I always do with these comps! Good luck to everyone, I’ll post up incase anyone fancys trying what would have been my entry even though it will be tomorrow therefore missing the deadline sadly, cheers everyone!
Tune is now up
Lancia 037 Stradale
GSW AWD