I understand what you’re saying, but if their intent was to give us what we voted for, I’d think it’d be the Tsuru at 3,437 votes and not the Sian at 746 votes. We also vote based on their suggestions; not ours. Not trying to sound ungrateful, but I think we will continue to get whatever they give, irrespective of the popular vote. Not claiming I’m right about this at all. Just what I think, and I could be way off.
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Yeah, Again, Im not sure how they choose. It always seemed like a dartboard filled with very specific brands. But I suppose if what you say is the case. It goes back to what I said in a previous post somewhere. Its that the actual car enthusiasts are gone. The OGs that made the game from FH1 are no longer making it. And its just a bunch of fresh turnovers just punching timeclocks. I have to assume the various trims of the same car being added have some level of shortcutting in terms of mesh reuse. The AMG GT and all the Huricans and Mclarens come to mind. It of course wouldnt be a problem if they actually consistently put out new and interesting cars and not continually strip off the previous games list only to piecemeal it in as content refreshers. Im sure they thought doing this was an easy way to maintain player retention. I wouldnt even be surprised if it was mandated by the MS higher ups. But its resulting in the biggest franchise burnout Ive ever seen.
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Despite it being the most popular car by votes, I doubt we’ll ever get the Tsuru. Unless someone or some company manages to travel to Mexico and scan a mint condition Tsuru (if one exists) and give the data to Playground. Otherwise, I don’t see Playground traveling halfway round the world to scan a beater car, and Turn 10 isn’t likely to do it either since its probably crunch time right now for Motorsport 8’s development. Besides, if Playground cared about representing Mexican automotive culture at all, then they would’ve scanned a Mexican market Beetle to start with rather than using the European market Beetle from previous games.
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Agree on all points. Like I said, we get what they give, irrespective of voting results.
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I’d like to believe that decisions on what cars to include in Series 16 were made before that whole Suggestions Hub idea was set in motion - otherwise absence of Clio V6 is hard to explain, considering voting results:
- Clio V6 - 49 votes
- 2010 Clio RS - 36 votes
- 2010 Megane RS 250 - 28 votes
- Clio RS 16 Concept - 22 votes
- MG 6 - 12 votes
- MG 6 TCR - 8 votes (with only 30% of voters opting to have this car in Forza Horizon instead of Motorsport or in both games)
And I’m not even mentioning the overall low number of votes on all of these cars. For comparison: there are missing models from FH4 that exceed 100 votes, like BMW Z8 or Lotus Esprit V8.
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Thats hilariously low vote counts across the board. Low tier artists with a discord get more vote on minor polls than all those cars combined. So if they are actually taking any of those polls seriously then they’re taking like a fraction of a single percent of the userbase that also happen to regular the forums.
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It probably has to do with licensing again.
If it has. Why is it so hard? Why doesn’t a car manufacturer want to see their cars in videogames?
money, I suspect.
With a worldwide gaming market worth more than $200 billion each year, perhaps certain sectors of the auto industry are holding out their grubby little mitts for a greater piece of the gaming pie.
I’m not sure whether that’s true, but even if it is, it doesn’t excuse PGG from some of the garbage they’re dishing out as rewards or exclusives.
Having an exclusive agreement with another Developer (Porsche, Toyota)
The Manufacturer doesn’t see value in promoting the car in the game
The Manufacturer doesn’t get paid enough for the rights to put their car into the game (FIAT Group most likely)
The Effort to put a car into the game outweighs it’s value for the lineup (Standard Dodge Omni instead of the super tuned Shelby one)
And many more, advertising is a hard fought business
I never understood the “advertisement spot” vs “licensed product” relationship. How many bodykits has rocketbunny sold from people playing forza? VS adverts that companies pay for. Like how many more monsters did Coke sell from paying to have it in Deathstranding? It seems completely backwards. If I had a company that made custom spoilers or custom fenders or lights or whatever for cars, Id be on the phone trying to get ahold of T10 to get my products into the game. Thats good advertising. But apparently the earnest is on the studio to pay for the product license to basically advertise it directly to the demographic the product is aimed to sell to.
Its like the whole “real car brands cant have a certain amount of damage to them”
If a car company wants to advertise their car in game as a pristine example, They can pay us and we’ll not have it damageable. But if we’re paying them for the licensed model, We’ll damage it how we like, its not like they’re paying us to use it for advertising.
Basically, if you see something, you’ll form an opinion on it, first impressions are evcerything, so Manufacturers would prefer their cars looking as good as possible in a videogame, this is the so called “mindshare”, you have been affected by it as well at one point or another
Taking Coca-Cola and Death Stranding for example, say you go to the shops and you’re indecisive about your choice of Energy Drink, but you remember that character in Death Stranding drinking a Monster Energy can, so you’re subconciously more inclined to go for the Monster can over the store brand can or other Energy Drinks like Rockstar Energy
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That’s not really what I’m talking about. That’s just describing the concept of marketing.
And that is what Forza functions as too, Marketing for Cars in their game, so that you’re more inclined to go for X over Y
Well alrighty.
My best guess for this has always been that its either a precedent thing.
Where the relationship formed back when the power balance was simpler, Games or media didnt have the pull they do, so companies licensing out their products to the media had more power over the deal.
Or a legal thing. Just contextual copywrite law formed by brute strength of who had the best lawyers to the scene first.
They still do though, without a license to use their brand in the game, you’d have to go the GTA route, which wouldn’t cut it anymore for a realistic racing game in 2018, you need the licensing to use their brand in the game, and they want to have their cake and eat it, so (unless they want to be on the front cover most likely) the developers have to pay the manufacturer for the rights to use their brands, and that trickles down from the big logo down to the singular car.
Take a Toyota GR Yaris for example, that’s 3 brands you need to licence right there
Toyota - Manufacturer Brand
GR - Performance Brand
Yaris - Wordmark for their small car
This usually takes time and effort, and it needs to be repeated a lot
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I think you’re missing the forest through the trees brother. I understand how both Marketing and Licensing works. Those concepts are known to me. They are relatively simple. Neither concept is something that I am in question about.
SechsComic likes to make excuses for PGG as if he had hard knowledge of the exact inner workings of licensing deals and negotiations at PGG/T10/MS, which he does not. He is not interested in your specific points, he’s just using them as a springboard.
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I think the valid reason why certain cars cannot be added to FH5 is because PG likes to keep costs down. 99% of the time recycling happens is because they have to keep costs down, and you have no idea what PG has an interest in because that is completely out of their control.
It does not just apply to race cars as Stang616 once said.
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Even a translation they do good job. the dayly forztathon todey is Win a dirty rally with a retro rally upgreaded to A Class, but in Brazilian Portuguese they translate A to X. Any of theis cars cant get to upgread to X class…
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Seriously ? That’s not a translation error. It’s an inexcusable lazy copy paste error without even a cursory reading.
" Win a dirt rally with a retro rally upgraded to A Class "
Google Translate gives this :
" Ganhe um rali de terra batida com um rali retro atualizado para a Classe A "
Not even being lingo aware it clearly says something about retro rally and dirt rally (race I guess) and obviously gets “Classe A” right. If their version posted said “Classe X” then someone is slipping. Badly. Still.
Do. Better.