"Fortunately, we have a game for automotive enthusiasts; it's called Forza Motorsport" -Forza

Forza Horizon Legacy Horizon FH4 Discussion
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I don’t paraphrase Don Mattrick by accident.

With Super7 update, Playground comes full circle with their plans for the Forza Horizon series, and automotive enthusiasts are not a part of them. I think lots of people still play Forza Horizon with that mindset of enjoying a better Need for Speed, but the truth is that Playground is making the game evolve in a completely different direction.

There’s no longer much emphasis on car culture and what automotive enthusiasts enjoy, other than the cars themselves. Instead, Forza Horizon 4, when it ends support, will more closely resemble games like Midtown Madness 2 and Trackmania than its own predecessor and franchise kickstarter, Forza Horizon.

The success of Hot Wheels was a given. Paintable brake calipers and new bodykits were promised, but shelved. Sounds are bad, but nobody really cares. Instead, we were given Lego, battle royale, and Super7, which is an amusement park creator.

It’s a losing battle to ask Playground for more things that auto enthusiasts enjoy. This group doesn’t pay the bills after all. A car like the Singer 911, whose IRL public is rich adults on their way to retirement, isn’t in Forza Horizon because of the game’s ethos, but for publicity. Same with the Ferrari 512 M and the VW ID.R. The real public of the game, right now, are those who only have a passing interest in cars and would rather use them to create silliness. Many of which children.

The thing is, all the content that people who enjoy, breath and live cars want has been promised by another game in the Xbox’s portfolio.

If Chris Esaki of T10 is to be believed, the next Forza Motorsport will follow that “built, not bought” idea. It’s trying to cater to enthusiasts. The racing will be the actual focus of the game, and not a side affair like in FH4. Again, that’s true only if T10 is to be believed, but it’s more than Playground has ever signaled to Horizon players with a more focused interest in cars.

My dear enthusiast, it’s time to accept. Forza Horizon, the series within the Forza franchise, is no longer for you. Either wait for Forza Motorsport, or give Gran Turismo 7 a try. If you have the time and the resources, move onto Assetto Corsa, rFactor 2, RaceRoom. If not, and FM is too hard for you, play The Crew 2, Need for Speed or the upcoming Test Drive Unlimited: Solar Crown. Those are the games that want your money and time, not Forza Horizon.

Playground built their reputation on the backs of Forza fans, but they’re after other people now. More profitable ones. I’m sorry.

As for myself, I’ll reduce my gameplay of Forza Horizon 4 to a bare minimum. Since I’m already this far, I feel compelled to have a complete garage when support ends. I have no interest in the game beyond that, and I don’t think I’ll be playing FH5 much. 10 others, among the “new fans”, will replace me. Everyone will be happy.

All I ask of Forza is to see the least Horizon possible in my Motorsport.

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Please tell the wreckers and rammers that got 10x worse after Horizon to leave Motorsport than. Thank you. Lol. Your opinion you are entitled to it. Mine or yours doesn’t make it so. They could have made that clear when I bought the game. It really wasn’t clear they were going to go full ridiculous. Loved Hot Wheels by the way great racing. It can appeal to both worlds if the developers would care to tweak the racing a little bit. That’s what I thought Horizon was always trying to do. Appeal to hardcore and casual alike. Sad if that dream is just tossed away to make more money. It’s a business sure but that doesn’t make it right or something we should stop fighting for. Goonies never say die!!!

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I agree, Forza Horizon 4 (and even to a large degree FH3) has overall been a really unfortunate change in direction for the franchise, and unless FH5 is a course correction I expect I’ll be skipping it barring some bargain basement sale.

That said, the new Super 7 mode does look like fun, if nothing else for reliving the fun times I had with pushing the limits of the game in Halo Forge mode, and possibly putting together car showcases for exclusive cars to allow others to test drive and enjoy them outside of FH4’s annoying exclusive cars mess.

Like you said, FH4 is just arcade silliness, its not really even about the joy of driving anymore. Really hoping some of those other games you mentioned (especially the new TDU game) deliver on the promise of a solid open world driving game.

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I don’t agree with everything your are saying but I can understand the frustration. I’m not criticizing Super Seven, I’m sure I’ll play it; but plenty of the content that’s been delivered doesn’t feel like it was aimed at the original audience. Honeslty feels like whoever’s in charge forgot their are adults who are willing to pay for quality dlc.

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Its not a sim so i don’t know why you keep banging on about it not being for purists. FH4 was made for everyone to enjoy and if you can’t stand it then your welcome to go off and play another game.

Super 7 hasn’t even been released and you have already bagged that out.

You hate FH4 so much that you feel you have to be an advertisment for other games and tell people to go play them, and on a Forza forum too.

If a business model doesn’t make money it goes bust and of course it will look for ways to increase revenue and interest, only an idiot would actively avoid doing that, and FH4 has been adding content to keep the player base active lately where they haven’t been asking for a price, which is commendable.

They bought out Motorsport for the purists. That’s where you should be if you want the things you harp on about.

To be honest, i don’t think you have ever reallly had a good thing to say about FH4.

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FM is just really bad compared to FH. Maybe they’ll create 10 awesome new fictitious tracks for the next FM and it will become a joy to play, but I doubt it.
GTS has fantastic fictitious tracks, but is a terrible game for time trialling, and again, I can’t see why it would change for GT7. And they won’t release it on PC, so you’re buying a PS5 and paying for PS+ just to play one game.
Assetto Corsa, rFactor 2, RaceRoom, I’ve tried them all. They’re just not up there with FH4. ACC is not a bad game, but it’s just so narrow in scope. GT3 and GT4 on a few mainly dull real world tracks. rFactor2 I played for about 10 minutes, the physics felt so dull. RaceRoom is decent, it really is, the best driving feel of all, you get a real buzz from how it feels to drive the cars. Extremely confusing pay model, with multiple stores where you buy points with money and exchange points for stuff in another store. I considered buying everything on black friday, but it’s all so confusing, I couldn’t work out whether or not I’d actually get everything. Is it so hard to just sell it as a game where you buy it and that’s that. It’s not bad in principle for time trialling, but in reality they wipe the leaderboards every time the physics changes, which is quite often. So the leaderboards are always almost empty. No vibe about the game on GTP, you post in the forum there and maybe one person will reply a month later.

They’ve created a fantastic game with FH4 that beats all of these, they just need to let people play it. If some people feel there isn’t stuff to do, fine, give them stuff to do, but make it optional and let the rest of us get on with playing it how we want to. So Super 7, fine, I have no problem with it being there to give people something to do if they can’t find anything else to do in the game. Just don’t lock anything behind it that affects competitive play, like new exclusive cars.

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Agreed… I finally completed the ‘career’ mode of FM this month after three years, because it was so bad I didn’t want to play it. I still didn’t, but the sunk cost (fallacy) nagged at me that the tedious racing I’d endured to get to nearly finish it was wasted (as I got no enjoyment from it) unless I completed it for the achievement… I know, I feel stupid even saying it because it doesn’t matter, but anyway, I gave it another try and yes, it is just really bad compared to Horizon, not good to play at all. The game is joyless and I could feel my IQ dropping every time I saw the ‘distance’ markers in feet rather than time, above the other players like it’s some stupid arcade game. Horizon is ironically a more serious racer than FM in that regard.

It was also more difficult to brake in FM which isn’t realistic. Some race ‘sims’ mistake difficulty for realism, but it isn’t hard to drive cars in real life, including race cars. I mean, race cars are set up to be as easy to drive as possible, so all the driver has to worry about is remembering the course and the racing the other drivers. It isn’t realistic that there’s a wafer thin line between not braking hard enough, or locking the wheels like in FM.

I just played it on the easiest difficulty with rewinds on, so I could get it over with. lol.

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Spot on, Breeminator

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Something else to do, the ‘automotive enthusiasts’ can clear on out if they want ‘realism’ or go stare at their sports car in the garage they break out once a year.

I think the OP maybe bought the wrong game if he wanted a serious open world driving experience.

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You should just play something else. That was a long paragraph just to say you don’t like the game.

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I’m downloading FM7 to compare it. Too bad there is no demo, so I have to download 100GB for 4 hours free trial.

Anyone here played Live For Speed?

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A lot depends on the car. I last played it with a wheel, and some cars were good fun, I could do similar times to a controller, but some cars are just terrible with a wheel, the fake difficulty is insane, I could spend an hour doing laps with a wheel, then get my controller out and go 5 seconds quicker on my first attempt.

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Pretty sure there is a Dubai demo

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It’s important to say you will play on a KB? Because my biggest problem with Motorsport is controls on a controller. The same is in Horizon but with higher grip it’s much better. You won’t have it on a KB probably. And that’s the reason why GT beats Motorsport for me. GT was always for car fans and the controls are awesome. Motorsport is for… I don’t know now.

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I don’t know how you could play Motorsport with a KB. You need the trigger feedback, there is no feedback on a KB I’m guessing. GT Sport has no trigger feedback which I find extremely frustrating.

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I play FH4 with trigger feedback and all vibration turned off and have no problem braking effectively (with ABS off). How do you think people played the Xbox 360 FMs at a high level, before trigger feedback became a thing? It’s an unneeded gimmick imo. Granted, it may be a crutch some people have become unable to wean themselves off.

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No, that’s the KB magic like in Horizon I hope. It could be the same.

Exactly, GT doesn’t need it because of great controls. Motorsport with triggers is still much harder/less enjoyable to play.

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You are not going to be able to tell in single player guys. You can change from feet to time. I really don’t see how you think Horizon has a better driving model. It’s going to take practice if you are unfamiliar. I find it much easier to brake. Use the brake line most people have it on. It’s wrong a lot but I use it as a guide. Those top guys don’t even do the career unless to get an exclusive or something. Penalty lobbies A and S or Endurance GT(sim damage) are the cleanest places to race. Ghost league or hoppers (rotating divisions) are the most valuable learning tool there are. My advice, forget the wheel it’s much harder and they all struggle. I know like 2 people that use a wheel and I know a lot of fast guys. Can’t tell you how many times I heard the excuse I can cut cause I’m on a wheel. They never improve either, partly cause cutting equals no learning but I would just use a controller. I understand you want to use a wheel but it just is not designed for it. I rarely lock my brakes with abs off just takes getting used to. It all comes down to brake and throttle control. If you have an elite controller start with the trigger lock for abs off just to learn but take it off soon after you are used to it. The guys I race with and their tunes I use have high brake pressure like 160% or more.

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Thanks you. I am half way in downloading that 100GB, so I will finish that. I will be able to play in 4-5 hours, so it will finish before I will have time :wink:
I wasn’t able to find it in microsoft store. And when I was looking for demo I found info that demo was canceled and instead you have 4hours free trial of complete product.

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It’s possible they removed it. Bad track to start on. Pretty difficult. I took me a lot of forced time attacking with my friends to get that one but I love it now. They tortured me when we had our weekly time attacks. Sadly they stopped doing them. All homologated pretty much. You won’t find me on the regulator E-X rivals boards much and they reset whatever I had when they changed the track limits which you should turn on. The triangles are good. A Nurburgring here and there but I have some good times on the homologated boards you can access through free play by setting a division.