FH4 Muscle Car Questions

Hey everyone, I just bought FH4 and FM7 together for PC. I know I’m a few years late to the game, but I’m a big racing game fan. I played the first several Forza games, but have spent most of my time over on Assetto Corsa over the past few years. I’ve recently come back to Forza, and I’m really impressed with the huge catalog of cars the franchise has attained. Say what you will, but I’m a big unabashed American Muscle fan. I love pony cars and I love muscle cars. I was very happy to see a wide selection of modern muscle cars in the game like the Camaro ZL1 1LE, both the Dodge Demon and the Challenger Hellcat (even if their iconic supercharger whine isn’t quite right in the games), but I noticed that the updated Hellcat Widebody and Hellcat Redeye are notably absent.

The latest update gives us the 2020 Shelby GT500, which I got today the moment the season started, and I love it and all, but it makes me wonder why the older Hellcat Redeye never got it’s own update.

I would say that even though I prefer racing games to be more on the simulation side of things, like FM7, I can’t deny that after a week of playing both, FH4 is notably more polished as a game. So as much as I’d love to say I prefer FM7, I’ve found myself spending more time in FH4, which brings me to my biggest complaint with it as a muscle car guy. The drag races. There’s no warming the tires up, there’s no waiting at the tree, the game just says “Go!” the moment the level loads, and I just have to tune my gearing so I don’t spin out, which makes my Demon and Hellcats infuriatingly slow. Even after several days painstakingly tuning my Demon for the drag strip, I can’t seem to get any better than an 8.5sec time with full upgrades short of an engine swap. The Demon should be able to get that time nearly stock in the real world (with drag slicks and a perfect launch surface, I know, yada yada). The drag strips also don’t feel like they’re actually a quarter mile.

tl;dr So FH4 seems to focus more on road racing and dirt rallies than drag races. I get it. But knowing that, what are good drag times for the Hellcat and Demon, and will the Redeye be coming in an update soon?

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First of all, welcome aboard.

I came over from FM6 so I know what you are saying. I still love the dedicated track type racing, but the open world is so much more my style. That and other aspects have just made FH4 my favorite.

There are definitely plenty of pony cars from which to choose, but also a pretty good selection of others with hot rods and customs, classic to modern muscle. My only particular gripe is something that was just made into a post recently, and that is the V10 and V12 conversions for muscle cars. With the availability of so many V8’s, I was just surprised that was how they approached the upgrade path for so many of those cars. There is also a Racing V8 available for many, but just there is always something about trying to cram a 454/455 in where it shouldn’t belong. lol.

I’m not big on drag racing in the game for a few reasons and you pretty much already said them. But to me, the start is everything. And there’s nothing…just “Go!”. I can understand they would not want to take the effort to program in staging, etc. You can be pretty much auto-staged when it loads. But at least have the tree sequence. It’s actually already there…they just need to make it actually count for something. Get DQ’d for jumping, etc. And be able to hold your revs to properly launch.

Re: the Hellcat alternates, who knows? I have not heard of any upcoming Hellcat additions. They did just add the C8 Corvette and the aforementioned GT500 so not sure if they are going to add more muscle, or if that was it for now. In the posts, there are ones about news and updates, etc. So maybe take a peek through there.

Again, welcome and enjoy the game.

If you play around with the upgrades, the 6.2L swap (which is the LS from the Camaro SS), can be punched out to 7.0L with the racing block…it’s kind of byzantine, first engine swap the car, then go to the engine upgrade part, then buy the racing block…yeah, it’s no big block but there is the option for a big cube American V8 if you don’t want the 8.4L V-10 (from the Viper) or the 6.5L V-12 (a Lambo motor).

They should fix the physics in Forza Motorsport, it has bad physics.

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Yup. FWD and specially RWD has allmost to grip at launch. The only way to dragrace a RWD is to first convert it to AWD, the set the diff to 100%RWD.

The car is now still a true RWD but notice the total difference in grip. Wow playground…

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Rwd and Fwd are broken and underpowered in Fh4. Noobish Awd swaps are better %99 of the time. Dont bother with them.

Demons offical 1/4 time is 9.65 not 8.5. Also forget those timings in Fh4 because Rwd is broken.

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