Damage system in FM7

[smoothroller]

@B4LTY

@XxHighWayStarXx

I tend to think the word “crack” might be used as a way of saying “super good” “accurate” or “high performing” - as in a crack team or squad. There’s even the term “crack shot” to imply someone is a very accurate shooter.
“crack damage system” could just mean a very good damage system.
Just a thought anyway.

I agree.

Maybe, but that’s a really weird use of “crack” as an adjective. Ntm how confusing it is because we’re talking about, uh, damage.

Doesn’t really bother me, though. Damage doesn’t matter much to me.

[EpicEvan777]

@smoothroller

@B4LTY

@XxHighWayStarXx

I tend to think the word “crack” might be used as a way of saying “super good” “accurate” or “high performing” - as in a crack team or squad. There’s even the term “crack shot” to imply someone is a very accurate shooter.
“crack damage system” could just mean a very good damage system.
Just a thought anyway.

I agree.

Maybe, but that’s a really weird use of “crack” as an adjective. Ntm how confusing it is because we’re talking about, uh, damage.

Doesn’t really bother me, though. Damage doesn’t matter much to me.

I agree, “crack” is an unusual adjective to use.

[Petran]

oh man! from engine damage to aero damage to crackin’ jolly job

I am going to die here, before Bill tells me whats up

(truth is what EpicEvan suggests makes way more sense from business pov than what I suggest. and what you suggest too. lol )

[Blue028]

I’m going to have a stab and guess that it will be the same as every iteration before it. It sounds more like they’ve used the word crack as in awesome/really good. If you’ve seen them talk about the damage system before they always talk it up quite a bit.

[Prince_James_II]

@Blue028

I’m going to have a stab and guess that it will be the same as every iteration before it. It sounds more like they’ve used the word crack as in awesome/really good. If you’ve seen them talk about the damage system before they always talk it up quite a bit.

+1 MS are very good at what I call “PR talk”.

Remember FM5 with it’s “hundreds of next gen cars”. Sounded like 600 cars but was just over 200 at launch (300 after all DLC I believe). Haha technically in the hundreds but it sounds so much more than what it actually is i.e PR talk.

Hopefully in this case the damage system has had a major upgrade (it’s still very FM4), however I will remain reserved about it until we see more.

[Petran]

@Prince_James_II

@Blue028

I’m going to have a stab and guess that it will be the same as every iteration before it. It sounds more like they’ve used the word crack as in awesome/really good. If you’ve seen them talk about the damage system before they always talk it up quite a bit.

+1 MS are very good at what I call “PR talk”.

Remember FM5 with it’s “hundreds of next gen cars”. Sounded like 600 cars but was just over 200 at launch (300 after all DLC I believe). Haha technically in the hundreds but it sounds so much more than what it actually is i.e PR talk.

worth remembering that still today, 4 years in, no other game has come with 200 cars out of the box, no game that is not called “forza” anyway…
let alone having such an extensive set of customization for every single one of them 200 cars…

[VooDooPC34]

@Petran

worth remembering that still today, 4 years in, no other game has come with 200 cars out of the box, no game that is not called “forza” anyway…
let alone having such an extensive set of customization for every single one of them 200 cars…

Gran Turismo 2 had 650 cars. Gran Turismo 4 had 722 cars. Gran Turismo 5 had 1,086 (246 “premium”). Gran Turismo 6 had 1,226 (388 “premium”). So, “no other game” is a bit of a stretch.

[T_REX_5753]

@VooDooPC34

@Petran

worth remembering that still today, 4 years in, no other game has come with 200 cars out of the box, no game that is not called “forza” anyway…
let alone having such an extensive set of customization for every single one of them 200 cars…

Gran Turismo 2 had 650 cars. Gran Turismo 4 had 722 cars. Gran Turismo 5 had 1,086 (246 “premium”). Gran Turismo 6 had 1,226 (388 “premium”). So, “no other game” is a bit of a stretch.

But they all sounded like 1 Hoover!!!

[Petran]

Guys, a reminder, this is all my speculation on a hot Sunday morning drinking coffee.
As other people wrote, that quote could very well mean other things, and maybe more reasonable things than what I thought it might mean

Don’t want to cause anybody get dissapointed. Damage calculation is already very good in the series anyways.
Cheers!

[Cerrax]

If the videos we’ve seen so far are any indication, then the biggest change to the damage system is the damage report that pops up in the right-hand corner that tells you which parts of teh car were damaged during a collision. I haven’t seen anything as impressive as the damage we had in FM2 and FM3 with bumpers and aero flying off and such.

[CW40]

@Cerrax

If the videos we’ve seen so far are any indication, then the biggest change to the damage system is the damage report that pops up in the right-hand corner that tells you which parts of teh car were damaged during a collision. I haven’t seen anything as impressive as the damage we had in FM2 and FM3 with bumpers and aero flying off and such.

Loved that damage model. Parts coming off or hanging off would be more realistic. I loved that about Forza 3 as well.

[im2fast4u711]

While its true only time will tell, if the damage model was really improved upon compared to past games and was anywhere near “class leading” they would’ve highlighted it at e3. If they spent that much time pointing out to everyone the shaking parts on the truck and that people will be able to hear parts rattling which are nothing more than cosmetic additions, im sure they would’ve showed any kind of major improvement to the damage modeling whether visual and/or performance wise.

Turn 10 are pretty consistent as to how and when they present new or improved features. They always highlight the major bullet points at e3. At gamescon they will continue to talk these main bullet points up and then add a little tidbit here or there on some other additions. The only issue i see this time around though is that there arent many of these bullet points compared to past titles.

[Kdogg788]

“Crack damage system” probably just refers to any bumps or dings to the car body during the race affecting aerodynamics and performance. I doubt they took it all the way to the health and reliably of every engine component. Most races have cosmetic damage only by default. Would be nice if multiplayer were more punishing in terms of damage but I don’t see it happening across the board. Also, with most Forza races being so short part reliability won’t usually factor.

-k

[Sam_Orifici]

I’m not sure if anyone is following this thread anymore, but I had an idea.

Forza may not be allowed to show super realistic damage on their licensed cars. For one thing, their ESRB rating may jump up because people are technically getting hurt (I mean if a car gets crushed, one wouldn’t walk away unscathed). Also, car companies may not want people to see their cars get destroyed. If I’m driving the GT2 RS and it crumples after an accident, I may question that safety of Porsche’s cars and the safety of the 911 specifically.

BUT, if that isn’t the case, I want to see real damage too

[APX5LYR]

@Sam_Orifici

I’m not sure if anyone is following this thread anymore, but I had an idea.

Forza may not be allowed to show super realistic damage on their licensed cars. For one thing, their ESRB rating may jump up because people are technically getting hurt (I mean if a car gets crushed, one wouldn’t walk away unscathed). Also, car companies may not want people to see their cars get destroyed. If I’m driving the GT2 RS and it crumples after an accident, I may question that safety of Porsche’s cars and the safety of the 911 specifically.

BUT, if that isn’t the case, I want to see real damage too

This. As much as we would all love to see realistic damage, no manufacturer wants to see their precious babies smashed up more than some minor crumpling. Even single series games like F1 only go as far as wing and suspension damage. The only titles I can think of currently that show off a somewhat realistic damage model are PCars and the Dirt series.

[rja89]

@Sam_Orifici

I’m not sure if anyone is following this thread anymore, but I had an idea.

Forza may not be allowed to show super realistic damage on their licensed cars. For one thing, their ESRB rating may jump up because people are technically getting hurt (I mean if a car gets crushed, one wouldn’t walk away unscathed). Also, car companies may not want people to see their cars get destroyed. If I’m driving the GT2 RS and it crumples after an accident, I may question that safety of Porsche’s cars and the safety of the 911 specifically.

BUT, if that isn’t the case, I want to see real damage too

If somebody cared that much or questioned it then it should be something they would want to research in real life. A car is designed to crumple as it transfers the energy from an impact around you.

[CVG23]

Wow, forgot about this cracked damage entirely until I saw this. Really want some info on it too

[ManteoMax]

Reference:

http://www.gamesradar.com/forza-6-not-collision-sim-burnout-wrecks-happen/

Forza 6 ‘not a collision sim like Burnout’ but ‘wrecks happen’
September 1, 2015

Very few racing sims have decent levels of car damage. Gran Turismo went four games into its run without any damage modeling at all, Project CARS’ crashes are decent(ish), and Codemasters’ EGO engine is pretty good, if not as impressive now as it was six or seven years ago. Forza Motorsport 6 will feature some damage, but you won’t be seeing Burnout Paradise-style crumple effects, according to the game’s creative director, Dan Greenawalt. I met him in London during his brief stopover in the capitol and asked him for a bit more detail on the damage issue from a developer’s point of view. Here’s how that played out…

GR+: What are the problems with damage? Obiously, in a sim, we haven’t seen many racing sims that have really pushed the damage element – I suppose TOCA Race Driver 2 probably [still] has the best damage in terms of parts falling off, things like that. What are the problems with damage in a modern racing game?

DG: Well, first off, the way that we design our games for Forza is to never compromise on the physics and the experience and allow you to actually turn things on or off in the difficulty settings. So for example, headlights – if you’re on cosmetic damage, your headlights won’t break out. So if you’re a player who just wants to get in, smash up and have a good time like my 7-year-old twin boys, you can do that and you’re not going to be driving blind. You go to sim damage and yes, your headlights can get broken out. So that design idea allows us to really unfetter ourselves. We’re able to make an experience that’s tailor-made for a more hardcore player, and yet at the same time, have an experience that’s made more for the more casual player and not choose one versus the other.

It’s a scaler, you know – turn traction control off, turn stability manager off – you can go all the way up the chain. When it comes to night in general, we had a very unique vision for night, which is specifically the claustrophobia that happens when you’re in a real race car and the headlights illuminate ahead of you – it darkens everything else around you, so it doesn’t look like a really dark day – it actually is black out there. Well that means you’re living and dying by your headlights, so exactly your point – if your lights go out, you’re done. The other funny thing about this is we’ve got 450 cars – it’s not the number – it’s the diversity. There are a lot of cars that just don’t have headlights. They don’t race at night, or if they race at night, they race under stadium lights. So we still allow you to take those cars in. I would not recommend it, but you are capable of doing it.

GR+: So you can actually race in complete blindness at night in the cars without headlights?

DG: You can… the career doesn’t obviously funnel you that way. But yeah, you can go into free play or you can go in multiplayer and you can set that up.

GR+: Are there any licensing restrictions with how much damage you can apply to a car? Because that’s often been the sort of ‘excuse’ for a racing game that doesn’t have amazing damage, but I spoke to Codemasters who told me it’s actually just really difficult to do. So people like to use that excuse. I wondered what your take on that was?

DG: Yeah, that’s correct – it’s really difficult to do. What you tend to do is prioritise what’s the experience and the vision you have you want to create – and so for us, we’re trying to create that wheel-to-wheel racing. Now, you could do a… like Burnout, right? A ‘collision simulator’. What’s it like to hit a wall at 250 miles per hour and see a car completely obliterated. And that would cause licening problems. I don’t believe you could actually license that from many manufacturers at all. There’s a grey area in-between. And what we’ve really optimised for is the kind of racing that happens when you watch the DTM, when you watch NASCAR, when you watch British Touring Car. It’s wheel-to-wheel, they crunch their bumpers, but – and yes, of course guys have catastrophic accident, but that’s not what the racing is about. The racing is about rubbing fenders, trading paint, and that’s allowed us to find a really nice spot where the manufacturers are all fine with it. We’ve never had a licensor disagree with that, because we say look: It’s just like British Touring Cars. No-one’s trying to wreck, this isn’t about wrecking, but wrecks happen – and everyone was on-board.

[sTReetBurner09]

Hopefully they have credit penalties at the end of a race for when you take damage. Say I damage my engine up to 90%, take away 5,000 credits from me but say a couple of scrapes should cost 1,000 credits or less.

[Cerrax]

@sTReetBurner09

Hopefully they have credit penalties at the end of a race for when you take damage. Say I damage my engine up to 90%, take away 5,000 credits from me but say a couple of scrapes should cost 1,000 credits or less.

Judging by this capture from an AR12 gameplay video, credits are not docked for damage