Car Division to split GTX Sportscars

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Continuing the discussion from Disentangling the GTX division and to gather votes to see interest in the split.

Currently the GTX division is a big mess of many classes mixed together. This makes it hard to balance and doesn’t match how the cars were fielded historically.
There’s a couple of good suggestions on how the class should be split, this is how they used to race:

IMSA GTO

  • 1989 Audi #4 Audi 90 quattro IMSA GTO (showroom)
  • 1991 Ford #15 Roush Racing Whistler Mustang (car pass)
  • 1991 Mazda #62 RX-7 (showroom)
  • 1990 Mercury #15 Whistler Radar Cougar XR-7 (showroom)
  • 1988 Nissan #33 Bob Sharp Racing 300ZX (showroom)

IMSA GTX

  • 1979 Datsun #33 280ZX Turbo (showroom)

IMSA GTP

  • 1981 Porsche #1 Porsche System Engineering 924 GTP Le Mans (reward)

Group 4

  • 1979 BMW #6 BMW Motorsport M1 Procar (showroom)
  • 1974 Porsche #1 911 RSR (reward)

Group 5

  • 1976 Chevrolet #76 Greenwood Corvette (showroom)
  • 1982 Ferrari #72 N.A.R.T. 512 BB/LM (showroom)
  • 1982 Ford #6 Zakspeed Roush Mustang IMSA GT (showroom)
  • 1981 Ford #2 Zakspeed Racing Capri Turbo (showroom)
  • 1978 Porsche #43 Porsche Racing 935/78 (showroom)
  • 1978 Porsche #78 MOMO 935/78 (showroom)

Group B

(Circuit version, not rally. Was meant to feature alongside Group C but got cancelled)

  • 1987 Porsche #203 Porsche AG 961 (showroom)

Trans Am

  • 1985 Buick #6 Performance Motorsports Somerset Regal Trans-Am (car pass)
  • 1988 Chevrolet #77 Beretta Trans Am (reward)
  • 1986 Merkur #11 MAC Tools XR4Ti (showroom)
  • 1990 Oldsmobile #75 Cutlass Supreme Trans Am (car pass)

JGTC

  • 1998 Nissan #23 Pennzoil NISMO Skyline GT-R (reward)

Super Silhouettes

  • 1984 Nissan #20 Bluebird Super Silhouette (showroom)
  • 1984 Nissan #11 Tomica Skyline Turbo Super Silhouette (showroom)
  • 1983 Nissan #23 Nissan Motorsports Silvia Super Silhouette (car pass)

Unknowns

  • 1976 BMW #1 BMW 3.0 CSL (reward)
    – The 3.0 CSL was raced in Group 2, Group 4 and Group 5, it can be put in any of these depending on performance
  • 1975 BMW #25 BMW Motorsport 3.0 CSL (showroom)
    – See above

These are the classes the cars are homologated to, so this would be the ideal split for just focusing on competing against the cars they would at the time.
But this of course leaves the classes empty, so some could/should get combined according to philosophy and performance.
Some ideas for grouping:

  • IMSA GTO + Trans Am
    → GTO sportscars
  • Group 5 + Super Silhouettes + IMSA GTX + Group B
    → GTX sportscars
  • Group 4 + 924 GTP + both BMW 3.0 CSL from Unknown
    → GT sportscars

Comments:
The 924 GTP matches the performance of the group 4 cars the most. The 961 Gr.B raced in the GTX class at Le Mans, that’s why it can get added to the GTX group.

Do you like this split focused on the homologation, or would you like to see a different split? Based around the PI maybe?

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Oh, yes please!

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I support this. I wouldn’t be too miffed if divisions don’t strictly follow real-life homologation, I think in-game performance balance is ultimately more important.

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I absolutely agree the GTX Class needs some form of split as stated, it’s a bit of a mess and an absolute BoP nightmare as of now.

Following your classes and including some knowledge of what may or may not be possible I’ve devised a streamlined yet accurate depiction of what I believe should be possible while trying to keep to a realistic-ish criteria of both BoP and what actually raced each other.

JGTC

  • 1998 Nissan #23 Pennzoil NISMO Skyline GT-R (reward)

IMSA GTO

  • 1989 Audi #4 Audi 90 quattro IMSA GTO (showroom)
  • 1991 Ford #15 Roush Racing Whistler Mustang (car pass)
  • 1991 Mazda #62 RX-7 (showroom)
  • 1990 Mercury #15 Whistler Radar Cougar XR-7
  • 1988 Nissan #33 Bob Sharp Racing 300ZX (showroom)
  • 1987 Porsche #203 Porsche AG 961 (showroom)
  • 1981 Porsche #1 Porsche System Engineering 924 GTP Le Mans (reward)

”RETRO TRANS AM”

  • 1985 Buick #6 Performance Motorsports Somerset Regal Trans-Am (car pass)
  • 1988 Chevrolet #77 Beretta Trans Am (reward)
  • 1986 Merkur #11 MAC Tools XR4Ti (showroom)
  • 1990 Oldsmobile #75 Cutlass Supreme Trans Am (car pass)
  • 1988 Nissan #33 Bob Sharp Racing 300ZX (showroom)

Group 5

  • 1975 BMW #25 BMW Motorsport 3.0 CSL (showroom)
  • 1976 Chevrolet #76 Greenwood Corvette (showroom)
  • 1982 Ferrari #72 N.A.R.T. 512 BB/LM (showroom)
  • 1982 Ford #6 Zakspeed Roush Mustang IMSA GT (showroom)
  • 1981 Ford #2 Zakspeed Racing Capri Turbo (showroom)
  • 1978 Porsche #43 Porsche Racing 935/78 (showroom)
  • 1978 Porsche #78 MOMO 935/78 (showroom)
  • 1984 Nissan #20 Bluebird Super Silhouette (showroom)
  • 1984 Nissan #11 Tomica Skyline Turbo Super Silhouette (showroom)
  • 1983 Nissan #23 Nissan Motorsports Silvia Super Silhouette (car pass)

Group 4

  • 1976 BMW #1 BMW 3.0 CSL (reward)
  • 1979 BMW #6 BMW Motorsport M1 Procar (showroom)
  • 1974 Porsche #1 911 RSR (reward)

Notes: Although the 924 GTP is in its own class, trying to keep it in the ‘Non-silhouette’ IMSA style race class makes it fit in a bit more although semi-unrealistic. But depending on BoP and what is possible, it may be more fair or balanced dropping down to “Group 4”.

Similarly the AG 961 should fit with the rest of the cars in “IMSA GTO” as through ‘referral’ it’s pretty closely linked to the other cars in there. Once more BoP may determine where it truly ends up but it should blend fairly well.

Thank you once more for bringing this up and I hope too the GTX Class can be somewhat organised in the future!

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I’ve moved the 924 GTP to the GT sportscars as it matches the performance of these cars more than the previous grouping.