I think we can all agree: the GTX Sportscars division is a mess. It’s the same mess that the Forza GT division was before splitting. While we wait for Turn 10 to officially sort it out, I’m trying to create subdivisions within the GTX category.
I started to look into which racing specs each car corresponds to, but I quickly stopped due to the nightmare of navigating between FIA and IMSA regs, and then all the various regulation changes even within the same racing series. So instead I went and largely followed the power classes.
Below is what I landed on, though it’s meant more as a conversation starter than a definitive list. I’ve put a premium on making sense in terms of the upgrade system of the game rather than adherence to real-life racing classes. I think it’s serviceable, but I’m slightly disappointed by the lack of thematic coherence (save for the Super Silhouette cars).
I’d like to know your opinion on it, and how you split (or would split) the GTX division in a way that both makes sense with the PI system, and also thematically.
Updated for Update 19
GTXS - Target PI 875
Base: Odd ones out
1989 Audi #4 Audi 90 quattro IMSA GTO
1998 Nissan #23 Pennzoil NISMO Skyline GT-R
1978 Porsche #43 Porsche Racing 935/78
1978 Porsche #78 MOMO 935/78
1987 Porsche #203 Porsche AG 961
GTX1 - Target PI 850
Base: IMSA GTO, GTX and Trans Am
Although I see why have all cars set in your custom groups, I do mine a little more realistic in freeplay. I typically combined the eras and subdivisions of GTX sports car class. I would have the '73 RSR Porsche racing with the two BMW 3.0 CSL’s as well as the M1 Procar, the Greenwood Vette, the '79 Datsun and the Ferrari 512 BB. Then I would have all the silhoutte cars grouped together like the Zakspeed Capri and Mustang and the Japanese triplets. Lastly I usually group the Trans Am cars together with the IMSA GTO’s especially since some of them raced both series under the SCCA regulations. Realistically though it could be broken up by T10 like this Forza GT (80s), Retro Trans Am, Group 5 and keep GTX sportscars for the 70s/early 80s GT cars.
Personally i think the best thing is to sort them by era and respective series if we can go that far.
So that give us stuff like the 2 BMW from the 70s and 80s racing with the 911 RSR for example, the IMSA GTO cars and SCCA Trans am cars in their own group and you throw the super silhouettes (minus the R33 GT500 spec car, that’s gonna require a unique solution) in their own group as well. I think this would e much better on first glance.
Move the pre 80’ cars to a production division as the rest are silhouettes.
If I remember correctly, the NART Ferrari is also a production, so put it with this group.
Call it something like “Vintage Forza GT”.
GTX was an actual division in IMSA racing loosely based on the Gr. 5/Gr. B/FIA Gr. 6 rulesets. The '82 Roush-Mustang was in that division. It went from '77-'82, after that you had GTP/GTO/GTU/GTS. Some cars like the Audi ran in SCCA Trans Am. The other Roush Mustang was able to compete in more than 1 division (IMSA GTO/S and SCCA Trans Am) as the rules for each had a bunch of overlap at the time. The problem is if we divided these cars out into their proper divisions, each division would only consist of a couple of cars (or only 1 car), which would suck for online.
My quick easy fix in Free Play is to put all the 1998-1985 GTO cars into one class (Target PI: 835) and then all the 1984-1974 cars into another (Target PI: 815)
However, for a more permanent solution, I’d split the cars as follows:
GTO/TA1 (Target PI - 835)
1998 Nissan Skyline GT-R R33 GT500 (keep here until/unless more pre-2003 GT500 cars are added)
1991 Mazda RX-7
1991 Roush Whistler Ford Mustang
1990 Roush Whistler Mercury Cougar XR-7
1990 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme TA
1989 Audi 90 quattro GTO
1989 Ferrari F40 C (moved from Early Factory Racecars since it raced in IMSA GTO IRL as the F40 LM)
I took some inspiration for a V2 list. I did a bit of a mashup of your list and mine, then I went and bought all the cars (I only had about half) so I could tinker with the upgrades and see if it fit.
In the end, it’s roughly separated in 3 eras: 70s, mid-80s, late-80s and above. But there are a few oddballs that really don’t fit with any mould.
1984 Nissan #20 Bluebird Super Silhouette (showroom)
1984 Nissan #11 Tomica Skyline Turbo Super Silhouette (showroom)
1983 Nissan #23 Nissan Motorsports Silvia Super Silhouette (car pass)
Unknowns
1976 BMW #1 BMW 3.0 CSL (reward)
– The 3.0 CSL was raced in Group 2, Group 4 and Group 5, it can be put in any of these depending on performance
1975 BMW #25 BMW Motorsport 3.0 CSL (showroom)
– See above
These are the classes the cars are homologated to, so this would be the ideal split for just focusing on competing against the cars they would at the time.
But this of course leaves the classes empty, so some could/should get combined according to philosophy and performance.
Some ideas for grouping:
IMSA GTO + IMSA GTP + Trans Am
→ GTO sportscars
Group 5 + Super Silhouettes + IMSA GTX + Group B
→ GTX sportscars
Group 4 + both BMW 3.0 CSL from Unknown
→ GT sportscars
EDIT:
Updated after update 19.
The 924 GTP was featured in races in the IMSA GTO class, that’s why GTP can get merged with GTO. The 961 Gr.B raced in the GTX class at Le Mans, that’s why it can get added to the GTX group.
See this topic for an updated list whenever cars get added.
Further solidifies the fact that we need at least 3 subdivisions for that class; GTO/Trans Am combined, super silhouttes and Group 5 combined and just GTX sports cars. The 961 could go into the GTO class, the 924 could be a GTX sports car and the 935 twins could go into group 5.
In IMSA, the 935 was categorized in GTX through 81, which was not part of their homologated GT categories. In 82 it was categorized as GTP (newly introduced category), where it dominated until Al Holbert imported the first 962 that was built.
So, to be competitive with the Forza’s GTX selection it would likely need a nerf.
This should be the other way around. The 961 was raced in the GTX class at Le Mans and the 924 was raced in the GTO class in IMSA for some races.
I’ve updated my list above to feature these cars and the updated groupings.
You’re talking about a 1990s racecar that, by what you’re saying, should race against much more modern cars with much more advanced aero and tires. Not to mention this is a car that is not ment to race GT3 (or in Super GTs case GT300) class in the first place.
Plus, it’s gonna be booted out from FGT3 anyway if you do so. Look at what happened this update with the 488 challenge and super trofeo huracans, they race IRL against GT3s in national series but no, gotta remove them.
The only legit solution for the skyline would be to either…
•Add the NSX and Supra of similar era.
•Add more early 2000s, late 1990s GT cars and make this “Forza GT Retro” class (this honestly sound like the most fun).
