There’s at least 86 reasons to have the Sunbeam Tiger in the game. Maybe even as many as 99.
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Ok now that right there was a very misunderstood moment. Since when does my opinion include “REMOVAL” of other cars!!! Thats only how you took it. Yeah i said it would “SEEM” to be a more popular choice for some of those to have been added over others, but its not a matter of “WAH!! I DONT WANT THIS, DO WHAT I SAY.” So try re-reading the post. Before telling someone they dont know what theyre on. The last i checked this is a discussion forum and every post are opinions. If everyone got what they wanted it would be a perfect little world now wouldnt it. But its, for the record, “Opinions.” Now did i come on here and put down your love for the love of those that im less than fond of? Nope. All im saying is “It would be awesome to have some of those added.” Now the 99 Avenger had 163hp and 170ft.lb torque. The Beretta Z26 has 155hp and 180 ft.lb torque. The Z24 was a typo. Happy with those facts? Now let me just say this 1 more time…I spend a lot of time on Horizon 3 and enjoy it. Its one of my favorite franchises. I didnt say it sucks, didnt say any vehicles should be removed, or anything of the sort. I plainly and CLEARLY said “It would be awesome if more everyday drivers were included.” When i named those other cars i didnt mean “Hey those will smoke that there *********.” I was saying id like to see those added. And that their are other cars with better performance . If we wanted to be that technical then its based on “The Outback”. Why add the Halo Warthog??? Because its awesome. Were not going on about which cars make sense and which dont. And what belongs and what dont.
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When you say, and I quote, " IMO the brats and tigers of the Horizon Franchise are all space wasted that couldve been used for better and more fun vehicles." that seems to directly imply that you want them removed because you dislike them.
Again, I quote, “Those cars all have more factory horsepower than a Subaru Brat or a stinking Sunbeam Tiger” You have been disproved by Stang above with regards to that statement. So yes, you don’t know what you’re talking about.
I’ll repeat it. “IMO the brats and tigers of the Horizon Franchise are all space wasted that couldve been used for better and more fun vehicles” That’s clearly not “all” you were saying.
“IMO the brats and tigers of the Horizon Franchise are all space wasted that couldve been used for better and more fun vehicles”
“Those cars all have more factory horsepower than a Subaru Brat or a stinking Sunbeam Tiger”
That rather contradicts your last statement.
If you want to get down to brass tacks, then surely a small Japanese Ute is more suited to the Australian Outback than an American domestic market vehicle.
"Those cars all have more factory horsepower than a Subaru Brat or a stinking Sunbeam Tiger. So why werent they the more popular choice? IMO the brats and tigers of the Horizon Franchise are all space wasted that couldve been used for better and more fun vehicles. "
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Wow. Nothing was contradicted. Ok if you were to say “I think Vehicle A is a wasted space or Vehicle B would be better than A”, that is NOT BY ANY MEANS, saying it should be removed. Good god its so easy to mistake a statement. Arent you and everyone else entitled to your own opinion without such over reached criticism? Without it being turned into something that its not? And if a Japanese Ute is more suited than an American Market car, then why not just forget Chevrolet or Ford altogether? That wasnt where i was going with it. Its been misinterpreted. If you want to know the entire post was about possible mods, possible environment adds, and possible cars that would have been cool on this already great open world driver. NOW comes the fun part…am i absent in sharing the nostalgic love for 2 or 3 of the 200+ cars on this game??? Guilty!!! Does that mean im saying remove them??? NOOOOOOOOOO!!! It was PLAIN and SIMPLY saying in MY opinion, a few other choices would have been better. Now heres where this thing called “Customer Reviews” or “Feedback” comes in to play. Most companies use “Customer Opinions” for possible future additions/changes to a product. Because it helps build something that will make that company more money which is why theyre in the business to begin with. Out of every single aspect of this entire game, the only thing i pointed out that i thought would be cool is if one of the others would have been added rather than the other. And that causes a sudden rash on someones rear??? Seriously??? Now put the shoe on the other foot and imagine if you would have posted the following: “Well i didnt care about how some thick trees break when you run into them but the smaller ones stand solid. That makes no sense. I think it was pointless to even add the breakable ones.” Ok and then i come on here and see what you put and then i say something really off the wall like “Just because you dont like it doesnt mean they should be taken off.” Or “Get your facts straight.” Now that wouldnt make very good sense would it?? Because you know for a fact that you never said anything about them needing removed. Well thats whats going on here. Its right there in my post. Just read it. It was a simple feedback. Nothing more…well plus possible added mods. But thats it. So why does everyone feel that im bashing a good game when im not.
Doth protest too much…
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Wheel offset
Wheel Offset would be amazing.
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Exhaust tips are really needed. 
i hate when drifting with a Liberty Walk e36 m3…
Q: Will we finally be able to customize exhausts and adjust wheel offset and/or track width?
A: Unfortunately the answer to that is No. - Ralph Fulton interview with MotorworldHype at E3.
http://www.motorworldhype.com/2018/06/e3-2018-forza-horizon-4-first-impressions-video/
Why not?!
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Shows Ralph Fulton still doesnt want to improve this game further.
I mean, look at the livery editor not improving too. It also doesn’t have Mitsubishi or Toyota or Lexus.
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It doesn’t show that at all. The game has improved in several aspects, but perhaps you are discounting that because it didn’t improve the way YOU wanted it to, well too bad, can’t have everything your way.
As far as Toyota, Mitsubishi and Lexus, they pulled out of the game, Toyota and Lexus since FM7, and had nothing to do with PG and T10.
Obviously Forza and T10/Playgrounds never catered to the real designers who do real works outside of the game. No one has that much time to shove 3000 shapes into one vinyls. People prefer uploading it. Its 2018. We have a thing called online uploading. GT Sports has one.
It didnt improve. The game itself is good in other things but character creation and the livery system needs a lot of work.
It’s not just how he wanted it to improve, exhaust tips have been requested for as long or if not longer than wide bodykits ( in my case since fm1) the fact you could change rear lights on certain cars in previous games but not exhaust tips to this day and even losing bodykits from quite a few cars too from past games is in certain respect going backwards let alone not improving. Dont believe me here’s 3 cars that come to my mind straight away that lost not some but ALL bodykits through the Forza series:Nissan R32 GTR, Honda NSX and Acura integra type R.
Please don’t take this as an attack on you, it’s far from that, I’m just pointing out just a few reasons this might be the opinion of a few of us Forza players.
That is down to the manufactures pulling out their licensing deals, Nothing T10 or Playground can do about that.
I would love to see in Horizon 4
fully customisable interiors such as race, drag, off road,
Ability to remove body panels such as bumpers, and hoods
Bring back the NASCAR engine
Debadge and Dechrome cars
Hydraulic and air suspension
Window stickers
The Kitt bodykit for the Pontiac Trans am
More information from the #ForzaFriday video: Twitch
- in Forza Horizon 4 the amount of tire compounds is DOUBLE compared to FH3
- we already know drag tires are confirmed to be one of such new compounds
- new suspension types are coming to FH4: drift suspension and hopefully drag suspension
- drift suspension, which were already confirmed, allow you to reach the lowest possible ride height, with the car going all the way down to the ground
- drift suspension, as I predicted, increases the steering angle, as is typical of cars deliberately built to compete in drifting events
- drift suspension allows faster lock-to-lock (i.e.: turning from all the way to the left to all the way to the right and vice versa happens quickly)
- drift suspension will be allowed on most of the cars in the game
- drag racing suspension MIGHT be coming to the game BUT IT’S PROBABLY NOT COMING AT LAUNCH, IT’S STILL A WORK IN PROGRESS HOPEFULLY IT WILL BE ADDED LATER
- drag racing suspension won’t be allowed in as many cars as drift suspension
- the exact functions of drag suspension isn’t known
- the Performance Index has been updated
- in FH3 people use to build 800-1000 HP classic cars with poor tires and suspension to dominate the slower classes, the PI in FH4 will balance the combination of power, grip and suspension differently to prevent such straight line monsters from dominating everything
- new bodykits
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If all this comes to fruition, I’ll be a happy guy!
For those asking about Track Width, JONK1969 just confirmed the inclusion of a new track width UPGRADE option for SOME cars, not all. He specifically cited cars with poor offset like the 73’ ford Escort RS as cars that’ll have this option, not modern cars that are already reasonably flush like 17’ Ford Focus RS.
Here’s a link to those tweets
Looking great so far to me!