I have asked these same questions before and it never got answers. After trying all sorts of different settings I believe itâs feel, skill and per car. At the end of the day the car has to feel fast and right for you. If you canât push the car to your limits and feel comfortable then you just wonât be fast! I have built and driven tunes from just about every open-source tuner out here with all sorts of camber angles. On a handful of car I donât need to change anything because the cars are fast and comfortable for me to drive. On others however I need to make adjustments sometimes +/- 1.5 deg in the most extreme cases. Not because it wasnât right but it wasnât right for me and how I drove the car. The tuners lap times speak for themselves and what the cars are capable of in their hands or in the hands of a better driver. If they all keep posting top 50 lap times with varied camber settings then whoâs really right and whoâs wrong?
Makes sense bud. I got my question answered luckily. Experienced tuners are using higher camber number most of the time. See I was stuck on my own making .1 and .2 adjustments and wondering what was wrong. Now I swing the number around for a bit til they feel right. But yeah, lots of good advice on the forums. Unfortunately you can pick up some lousy advice even easier.
when somebody has a tune that runs number 1, and their camber (lets just say) in front is 2.3, how the heck did they know that is faster then 2.2??? Skill? Math? Feel? Maybe it is artâŚ
Maybe it not faster. It might of been good enough to run great lap. Maybe 2.2 2.3 or 2.4 would produce the same time.
Ha maybe! They just look so precise sometimes. Because of how my brain works. I have to use even numbers as settings for getting my base numbers. Then I tweak to odd numbers as I go.
Having an odd number, or a number that doesnât end in 5 on tv volume bothers me. I donât say to myself its a little quiet and move it from 20 to 21 and then say thats perfect. Wow that sounded OCD
LOL.
Repetition. How many laps do you think were run at -1.5? -1.8?-2.0? You make small incremental changes until it feelllssss good and you hit the desired lap time. After tuning so many cars you generally get a base tune, based on what has worked from previous cars. You then start to understand how to fix problems based on the previous problems and fixes. Eventually it becomes second nature. But telemetry is best for when a problem that you canât seem to figure out arises. The build matters more than anything, telemetry wonât help there, questions, only if the answers that are given are correct. This isnât a university with accredited professors. Most of this stuff is preference or just things picked up over time.
Back when I started playing Forza asking questions made it worse to many opinions. Just gets convoluted. I used to run Mugello Club for 50-75 laps to figure out the diff on the last corner. Raised it see effect lowered it see effect. After a while it started to make sense. Also trying others tunes helps. You learn what a good car feels like, what a bad car feels like, and you can then compare it to your own.
Makes alot of sense. Cant wait to get home and do precisely that for a couple hours.
Do you have any good S tunes? You mentioned having some top 25 cars. Any in S class?
All I have is a base tuned Enzo. Hit me up on live Iâll try and walk you through some stuff. Iâm an ok teacher. Not as mean as I come across. 
I have been in tuning comps, where he has only 2 times delivered slower tune than myself. while still being in top 7 in all other occasions.
I have held tuning comps where he has entered, always finishing in top 5 (if I remember correct) Although that might have been different if there would have been more people joining in.
Anyhow there is few great tuners whoâs tunes I have never driven (Worm & Craviator, just to name a few) and I belief that there is fairly many better tuners, who never post on this forum. Therefore I donât know them.
And just a reminder it is with FM4 experience. If I would have FM5, and if I could test his tunes / anyone elses tunes on FM5 I might be thinking differently.
I cannot say that XXX is best / one of the best if I cannot test their work. and if I could test their work I need some form of competition to do that. to get various other tuners in the mix. but even still there will be tuners who might be better outside of the comp, which leads to situation that he will end up finshing higher than he should. Thatâs why he ends up one of the top tuners THAT I KNOW, and that is still with only FM4 experience.
Anyone remember FM1 when the best setup was simply to run the spring as soft as possible 
Ha! I wish I did. Thatâs too funny
Sometimes you can really feel the difference in negative 2.2, 2.3, or 2.4. The car will feel dead, the front on -2.2 may not get enough grip but on -2.3 it will be right and on -2.4 it will bite too much and cause the rear to want to pass it (it will feel like the car starts to dip in the front before it rotates)âŚSometimes you canât feel the difference but -2.3 may show a better braking distance by a couple of feet over -2.2 so you use it.
I donât trust telemetry in FM5. Reading camber off a tune using telemetry is quite possibly a one way ticket to confusion.
I set camber largely based on feel. ALWAYS more to the front. You can get away with much higher values in FM5, and I usually run the numbers up until turning and braking performance either doesnât improve or starts to drop off. Looking for zero angle and evenly distributed temps is a bit of a dead end if the car actually runs the track slower. Some cars work well with relatively low values, some work well with quite a lot of front camber bias. So far the tightest I have had is even F/R, with the majority falling into the 2 to 3 click bias range. I think the highest I have run is 3.2,3.0. The most common are mid 2s.
This thread delivers.
True dat.
BTWâŚif anyone is interestedâŚwhen I tune a car I literally just throw settings on it based on the millions of tunes I have seen, shared, copied or stolen that I can actually remember in the 30 seconds I am trying to get completed and re-join the race lobby I was just in. However, when I want to run a REAL tune, I pick one up from one of the many capable tuners that hang around hereâŚmany of them on my friends list. Like I said, if you are trying to knock 5 seconds off your time, changing camber from 2.2 to 2.3 wonât make that much difference. I am still running cars that were tuned the âold wayâ where the camber is only .9 or lessâŚand they still do fine.
On a better note, while things may get a little ârustledâ around here, atleast it does liven some things up a little bit. I tried to start something with Loco but he didnât bite, so I am gonna say that Dust eats Kangaroo pooâŚmaybe that will keep this thread going a little longer.
Well the last time a former Mojo guy started something with Loco a sticky to stay out of each others threads appeared at the top of the forum and Le Mans was burned to absolute shreds. LOL!
How is Italy this time of year Clay? The kangaroo poo has been getting to Dust, the struggle is real in Australia right now.
(sarcasm time over)
âYou have no fast timesâ
Clay you werent supposed to tell everybody he eats kangaroo poo lol.
âMy tunes are as fake as my times on the leaderboard or your telemetry reading skills arenât up to scratch. You are so far off itâs unreal. Takumi is running camber the same I am, so is nearly everyone on my friend list you would consider âeliteâ. As I did the S2000 with Zermatt and Chemical that is about as âeliteâ as you can find. I do believe Iâve read out settings in front of Clay and Eagle in parties for things and weâve all been running ridiculously high camber for some time. They could have changed by nowâŚI for sure have not.â
Worm, you are absolutely right and Iâm sorry for implying otherwise. Now after a healthy serving of humble pie with a sidedish of crow, Iâll explain the confusion (on my part).
Iâm not crazy or demented, I was seeing what I claimed, but here is the problem. Apparently the game has a glitch, hereâs how it occurred. I would start each tuning session with the locked build but my tune, run a few laps then load the locked tune. At THIS point I would check the telemetry and guess what I see, stock psi and camber on the front tires. Apparently if you load a locked tune from the pause menu while youâre lapping, it doesnât fully load, just the back of the car. When I load a tune from the upgrade area before test driving, no problem.
Unfortunately I followed this procedure with a number of cars and thought I was seeing a pattern, and I was. But my conclusion about the pattern was wrong, my bad.
Oh well, at least it provided some mid-day amusement for the wonderful readers of these forums ; )
Worm mentioned âpartiesâ he is in with Eagle and others - are these real world parties? Or virtual parties? And given the location of Turn10, are they in or near Seattle?