Have you just maxed out your car? try changing the upgrades or tuning. wider tires and more downforce might help. i havent tried it yet but i can understand AI being too robotic almost.
The OP said it’s impossible to beat them, so it doesn’t matter how good someone is, if they can beat them, it proves it’s not impossible. If he’d said “only a top 20% player can beat them”, then Rayne and SprungBoss wouldn’t have replied in the same way, as their ability to win wouldn’t disprove that statement.
FWIW I have a friend who struggles to get into the top 20% in the FM7 bounty hunters, and he has been able to win every single one of the PvP rewards so far, including the Mosler and Rip Rod.
Reply to the post about OP saying its impossible. Am sure all readers know that when peeps say that, it isnt they mean literally impossible. Loom at context of situation. Person is saying that meaning that it is something counter to their play/experience/understanding. Or perhaps with their settings and controller, it actually could be literally impossible in that situation.
That is the great part of these team events. You can run within your comfort and configuration margins.
Didn’t intend to come across as arrogant or something like that.
It was just the observation I made. The AI is terrible on the dirt sections, so make sure to get them there. Use a car with off-road tires if possible.
And not just that, i would answer in different way if OP wouldnt admit right away that he wallrides.
@vaporisor Yes, we share that you dont need to use S2 class cars, but there will be allways be some guys who want to bring S2 car in race and i bet most peoples dont watch event information so they have no clue that all races will be mostly in wet asphalt. And i have actually tune last hour to S2 class 911 that would suit good for spesific this set of races so other people wouldnt have that mutch problem to control 1000hp porsche during the rain and in that progress i have done this trial 5 times allready helping others to win.
You keep saying this, but it’s only good advice if you either know you’re going to be one of the slowest on your team or if you know the your team is good enough that you know you don’t have to do the heavy lifting. I’ve played the trials way more than has been necessary and to guarantee the team wins, at least 2 people usually need to get 650 or 600 points. And if the others are having the kind of troubles the OP described, you need 3.
So, yeah, if you struggle to get 100 points, showing up in a lower class car helps. But if you’re a good driver, showing up in a lower class car restricts the amount you can contribute to the total and puts the onus on other people to do the heavy lifting. I’ve done trials dozens and dozens of times and have won many. But if I had always shown up in a lower class car and even if I could have passed a few higher class cars and scored 300 to 400, about 80% of the team wins would have been losses. I tested this while helping people get the Mosler. The good players should be doing the heavy lifting if you want to maximize chances of winning.
The AI isn’t great at all when the roads get twisty. It looks like choosing S1 might have helped teammates in 8 and 9 but they didn’t factor much. Having 3 people put it to the drivatars is what did it. I kind of think that drivers that really benefit from AI being a class lower aren’t likely to be running up front anyway. It only helps at the margins. This group really needed you and you were in S1, but still came through. I think you all won in spite of the strategy.
AI is mutch better in straights but even there they can have trouble sometimes, in that championship my first race gets ruined when AI hits wall before the corner and bounce right front of me knocking me out of checkpoint and somehow i was still able to be 5th in that race. But we didint win that championship because two people bring out S1 class car we win because 3 of us was able to finnish in top 3 in two races. But it may have help my team mates little bit that i use S1 car so top AI driver didint try to match my S2 laps as in that circuit, earlier try i beat best AI in abaout 20 seconds and that’s pretty mutch same how mutch i was slower with S1 class car and when i use cayman best AI drivers wasnt even close of us.
In S2 class 911 i end up setup where my tune use dirt tyres but race supsension, so it’s easier to drive in dirt but feels mutch better in asphalt than rally supsension.
I tried an S1 car at first, but for whatever reason I really struggled against the S2 drivatars. They had a massive speed advantage on straight tarmac, so I had to keep swerving from side to side to try to keep them behind me, but if one of them got past, they were just gone and there was no chance of catching them. I beat a few of them over the 3 races, but no way I could consistently beat all of them, so my choice to use an S1 car was simply a net negative for the team, as the drivatars scored more points by beating me than I did by beating them.
I then tuned a Cayman GT4 for dirt, it only went up to 976 with off road tyres. But that had enough speed to overtake the 998 drivatars on straight tarmac, so that was fine, an easy win over all the drivatars every time, giving a net positive contribution to the team effort. I think we finally had enough other players who could get the job done on the 3rd attempt. The 976 tune is shared if anyone else wants to use it, I made it partly for a friend who was struggling with a downloaded tune, and he found my tune much easier to handle. At 976 it won’t be much use for anything other than this event. It’s a lot of power to try to put through off road tyres, so it does need a bit of care with the throttle.
I have always showed up in low PI cars and I’ve had no trouble winning these championships, so your “80% of the team wins would have been losses” must be a load of bull.
This weeks championship is the only one I’ve had to do more than twice. The reason is that I tried using a D class Porsche the first two times, and appearantly the AI has race tire grip even in D class in this championship. So I took my A class 944, AWD swapped it, fine tuned a little bit, and won the championship first try. Tune is shared, it’s named “Porsche cup”.
Well, after struggling with last weeks trial (which I did get eventually), this week I tried a forum members advice (was it yours?) and took a low PI car to the race.
I was the only one on my team that wasn’t S1/S2, with one on the Red Team.
Well, my team won first try, with no help from me whatsoever as I had the old rally Porsche and my same-class opponent was a Cayenne, which blitzed me at every opportunity
The only thing I could do when I did manage to get in front briefly, was to weave L&R, trying to hold back the drivatars the best I could, preventing them from catching my team members further up the field. Dunno if it altered the outcome points-wise, but we did win 2-1, despite me coming in last place or DNF every time, but it was hard work.
That was my advice, yes. I was struggling with the Cayenne also but managed to beat him in every race. Once with a little help from one of the S2 guys that barely could drive, he/she was able to ram the Cayenne good on a long straight where the Cayenne was way faster than me. In the last race I was even able to beat a S1 Porsche 917 drivatar that was struggling with the RWD in the dirt.
If the 917 is showing up every time you match it’s PI the easiest way to win this championship should be to take a Cayman or whatever and build it to the same, or a few PI more, than a stock 917.
The AI was brutal on the tarmac in this one. They don’t even drive on tarmac, they drive on invisible rails. Luckily they suck on the dirt sections. Follow the driveline on the dirt and don’t slide around too much and the AI becomes beatible.
See, here is where you are missing the point. It isnt a case of relying on team, it is not letting your team down. Everybody shows up in S2 and only half are capable of driving them, now the other half has a full field of S2 to compete against. The slower half of team has added and brought nothing. They wont beat their cleaner running drivertar counterparts plus now any error from a faster driver means more positions lost and harder to gain back.
Your arguement relies on the concept that every player who enters is capable of first vs unbeatable drivertars. Reality is that isnt the case. So what do you say to them? Get out so they dont cost you points? Heck no. They get in something they enjoy and control. Lead cars have it easier now, and slow pace cars still get points instead of dead last.
THAT is the main point. That is why the suggestion. It is correcting the situation of players having trouble and not enjoying an event, and coming in last due to cars outside their fun and comfort level. They drop their PI, then so does their drivertar. Now they are in second last instead of last. A defeat now a victory because points matter, nobody had to drop out and everybody had fun.
More realistic solution than expecting or requiring everybody at S2 scale with half the team coming ahead of the first drivertar.
I wonder if a good tactic could be to tune to a little lower PI, like 980, choosing a level that you’ve determined in solo racing still allows you to comfortably beat the unbeatable AI. That way, you can still beat any 998 AI, but you’ll make some of the AI easier for other people to beat. It’s probably more trouble than it’s worth when you can just turn up with a decent standard 998 tune and have a decent chance of winning it anyway.
It might help, but I tried this a bit the Mosler week and couldn’t tell. One thing I did notice is how people drive against the AI makes a big difference in how competitive the AI will be. I had a few races where people at the front were having trouble, failing passes for the lead, and the AI set a pace the took a lot longer to run down than usual. It just seemed that what mattered most was having 3 of the 6 people be able to do well against the highest rated AI cars. Everything seemed to work with at least 3, and nothing seemed to work with 2 or less. Well, unless people quit before the 2nd race.