Player A buys a stock car, downloads the paint - Painter gets 100 credits
Player B buys a stock car, downloads a paint, puts the car on the AH - Painter gets 100 credits
Option A painter got 100 credits. Option B painter got 100 credits.
Which option did yield the least amount of credits?
If I then sell my car, does the paint shop get another cut from the sale profits?
Would you spend 50k to get a custom paint job of your dead mom as a tribute for your child, then the same day sell that car for a 500 buck profit? How would your child feel that the painter would no longer paint another as it was a 1 off and they also would not permit another artist to reproduce that piece??
Oh look, the personal attacks are out! I’m really scared and intimidated. /sarcasm
You still haven’t provided a rational reason to your opposition to people selling stuff off the AH. And no, “it’s always been this way” is simply an irrational resistance to change.
Already stated my opinion on the debate at hand! You clearly not reading. Anyways [Mod Edit - Abbreviated profanity, profanity and profanity that is disguised but still alludes to the words are not permitted - D]
If they want to implement a full permissions system that gives artists individual options then I’m all for that. That’s obviously a much larger undertaking for the devs though.
So raise the amount that the maker of that logo gets a lot higher then. If I use one logo that was made by someone else on my design, consisting of things that I’ve made myself, I wouldn’t be able to sell it on the auction house because of that one vinyl group? That seems rather ridiculous to me.
Come on lads lets forget about stickers / vinyl groups as we all know that those can be traced by anyone with halve a brain cell in prior forzas. The issue at hand is FULL car designs as those CAN NOT be traced!! Lets recap on the fm3 system. Locked designed & vinyl groups can not be resold in action house…
Full car designs already fully-credit their creator in the AH. There’s no issue with them at all, other than the “credit per use” reward you get when the car owner applies the design being too low.
I do not want to hear any forza painter (including myself) talk about “crediting the artist”!!! 90% of the art redone in forza is from using “source photo”… The question is – did you credit the “copyright holder” when sharing with the forza community!!?
Since someone decides to send me a message over this subject, I’ll reply in public.
I’ve never sold a car on the auction house with someone elses livery attached to it.
It’s very rare that I’ll actually use a livery on a car myself, so there’s no “quik buck in the AH” happening from me.
See above, “people like me” You have no idea who I am, or what I’ve done, so don’t tar me with the same brush.
I’ve given plenty of reasoning in my posts in this thread, sounds to me like you’ve latched yourself onto only one post, and launched into a rant based on that.
Couple disclaimers up front… While new to Forza, online racing and communities are nothing new in my world. Neither is creating, recreating and sharing content and resources. I messed around with the paint / vinyl stuff a little last night and it looks like I can’t import anything? I’m not one to slap stickers and logos all over a car but am a bit disappointed that I can’t create TRUE ORIGINAL content and get it into the game. Of course with all “artwork” beauty is in the eye of the beholder but to me, a nice digital fractal in the right spot on the right car can be pretty cool.
It should be like FM4. Locked designs can’t be sold. When I get into the AH looking for cool designs I only buy if the seller and the painter are the same. Otherwise no. Because if they are not the same I can simply go to the original owners SF and download the paint. It’s really too bad because usually when the painter and the seller are the same there is a high chance that the design is a limited edition. But now the Auction House is plagued by thousands of sellers that have other people works in their cars. And to find a limited edition design now it’s a pain in the ***. Hope this gets fixed in future forza games.
Please stop quoting the entire 100 line long posts. Only leave relevant context in the quote…
I agree with the low payouts. I think they should be an order of magnitude bigger.
Design locking is clearly a matter of desires so the only correct answer is to let the painters choose. Any compromise will leave the other side unhappy. And result into kids’ arguments who was right.
Sounds to me like a three stage access level is called for. Open, design unlocked so everything is possible with it; closed, design locked and it can be sold locked with proper credit to painter; closed-private, design locked and cannot be sold.
I’m trying to figure out why it says “Freelance Tuner” when I haven’t even touched the tuning or upgrades for certain cars. It should say “Tune: Stock”. It confuses me because it makes me think that there’s a tuning setup I don’t know exists for certain cars such as my Opel GT and my Infiniti Q60. I sold both of them and bought stock ones to “check” and they both now say “tune: stock”. Anyone have an idea why it says there’s a tune when really, there isn’t?
My personal opinion about this issue is that liveries, and vinyl groups should be locked , and not possible to apply it on cars that will be sold on the auction house, I like the system that has been used in Fm3 and FM4, but what I have seen in forza 5 . forza 6 and Horizon 3 just turned me off, and killed all the motivation in me to create or share anything, I like to design in order to make a lot of credit so that I can buy and upgrade all the expensive cars available in the game, but the designers are forced to give our hard work and invested time liveries for free, or cheap credit that we can get in 10 minutes race., and now their work are used in Horizon 3 for the benefit and fame of other players, which is not fair, or good, this will kill designing and the creativity and generosity of the community, all the most beautiful and creative liveries will disappear, and just the cheap , and ugly liveries will be available on the game market if the situation stays the same this year,
Horizon series are great games, it’s a shame that the Devs didn’t figure out yet how to improve the quality of liveries, by encouraging , motivating and rewarding the designers, but from what I had seen, they are taking the designers for granted, and turning them off.
people design for different reasons, fun, credit, fame, competition, badges achievement , or generosity, etc… the devs has to take care of all those aspects, and give the players the possibility to benefit from their efforts, in the storefront and auction house, and set the limit for the ones who charge millions that a few can afford, and protect them from been used for free and without permission. My respect to all of you, thanks for your care.
I’m not sharing anything important until they fix this system and show some credit reward and appreciation to designers, tuners, and photographers.
Last word … I hate the drivatar, it’s the reason behind all this mess.
In real life (IRL):
If I have someone paint my car, then I buy some vinyls and apply to the car, go to a tuning shop and pay them to tune the car, then down the line I sell the car, do I have to go back and give a cut of the sale to the painter, vinyl maker, vinyl applier and tuner?