1997 Honda civic type r. I think it breaks physics

is it me or this car sort of breaks physics for a fwd? When I upgraded this car to A800 it says about 4.5 sec 0-60. I did not change the drive train to rwd. It is at fwd. I don’t know how accurate the tuning benchmarks are, but when I timed it myself it seemed pretty accurate.

262 HP
157 ft-lb
1949 lbs
1.6 L
Maxed out brakes, suspension, and weight (no roll cage)
maxed out transmission
maxed out tire and wheels
all non adjustable body kits

Seems entirely plausable, with the right gear ratios, with the grippiest tyres, and low weight, it would certainly take off pretty quickly.

For reference: The new 2015 Honda Civic Type R has 305 BHP and 0-60 in 5.5 seconds. That’s FWD and weighs 1378KG.

The 1997 Honda Civic Type R has 170-180 BHP, and 0-60 in 6.5 seconds. It weighs 1073-1090KG, that’s completely stock.

(Facts from google and various car sites, may not be 100% accurate)

Honda website claims 306 BHP and 5.7 0-60, Parkers Facts & Figures claims 305 BHP and 5.5 0-60.

What you think its not possible for a FWD car to hit 60 that fast? Its definitely possible. Ive seen faster

The fact that it’s not RWD does not mean anything for how fast it can go, rather how it handles and takes off from the line.

So yeah, it makes sense.

A stock Dodge SRT-4 can hit 60mph in 5.3-5.5 seconds.

Your Civic with more power (less torque though), less weight, and tires with more grip definitely could do 4.5 seconds.

I’ll tell you what “physics” are broken in Forza:

1000hp WRXs and Evos in A800. (Almost)Stock handling doesn’t matter. Nap 15s at start line and would still beat your Civic.

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It’s just you, as that that’s not particularly impressive in the grand scheme of things. Stock, the 2014 BMW M235i is rated at 4.8s. It’s more powerful, but it’s also 60% heavier and on street tires. How is it so close anyway?

Load transfer during launch. In pretty much any car, weight shifts rearward during acceleration. One of the inherently superior attributes of RWD is that when this occurs, the weight shifts toward the drive wheels and enhances traction. Conversely for FWD, weight shifts away from the drive wheels to the detriment of traction. This is why after about the mid-200 hp range, FWD cars generally don’t accelerate from a stop as well as a comparable RWD car. Your Civic could probably soundly defeat the M235i in the quarter-mile, but a RWD car of similar specification to your Civic would be capable of doing the same to it.

That’s a more of a balance issue rooted in the PI system. But yeah, it’s absurd that a grip-build Civic ends up with the same PI as a twin-turbo V8 rally rocket. There’s only a handful of courses in which the former wouldn’t get completely blasted by the latter, though whether the frankenrocket could accomplish that without ruining other players’ race is another question altogether.

You’re talking about “physics breaking” in a game that has unrealistic physics to begin with? I do find that amusing!

I have an A800 Civic with 300hp and it dominates on tight tracks with small straights. Do not underestimate little Hondas! In my words it’s a BAMF :wink: