I think I’ll probably answer my own question here, and that’ll be hard grind and a good memory.
Reading through the posts on the forum it appears that accomplished racers know the braking and turn-in points on all tracks!!! I use the braking line and get most of my cues from that. But I realise it’s not perfect and doesn’t seem to change for the car being used.
But it really does come down to practice, knowing your cars ability and then picking landmarks as reference points. You must always consider the path to the apex and out of the corner from the apex, to ensure you maintain the most momentum.
And practice a lot.
I try to cue in on objects and generally on the right side of the track in corners I was having trouble in. There will be a fence change or access road etc…
I started doing it because the view of the line was obscured because of other cars or fading over a rise so I started picking large objects. I noticed in 6 that the brake markers on some courses have lines across the road but its not consistent
If you haven’t already, get your braking consistent in turns meaning make sure you are using the same brake pressure (more or less) when braking for every turn. Once you got that down then start homing in on the distance you can brake at by using different track markers or other things such as pylons, fences, access roads, etc. Find that sweet spot, one that won’t cause you to over shoot the turn or slow down too much before it.
Once you got your optimal braking point down you can then fine tune your braking points at will, say if you were side by side with another coming up to a sharp turn and you want to try and outbreak him, well by knowing the optimal braking point you will know how late you can brake to make that turn.
Whenever I want to learn a new track I first do somewhere around 10 -15 laps with the full racing line on, not only to figure out the braking points but also to learn the best line around the track. While doing those laps I associate reference points to the racing line braking points.
I then turn the racing line off and start doing laps using those reference points to brake and adjusting as needed until a) I’ve learned the track, b) can do consecutive laps without going off track and c) I start running consistent lap times.
Different cars will most likely have different braking points but once you know the track it should just take you a few laps to figure out the ideal braking points for each.
Most tracks in racing franchises have been around for years and will most likely continue to be (like Silverstone, Laguna Seca, Nurburgring, etc…) so every release there are just a handful new tracks to learn.
Thanks all some really good tips here. I tried it with Seebring on turn5 I think (the very sharp right handed after the straight that has a right hand kink). I used a distance board. Next lap it had gone!!! I suppose you need to pick reference points that can’t be destroyed lol!!
Start braking about a second after passing the overhead bridge. Sometimes you can go deeper if your car favors grip more than all out acceleration.
If you’re unsure, go to Rivals and choose someone a second faster than you that is also in a similarly built car. For example, hotlapping against a no aero acceleration king won’t help you learn braking if you’re in something with a decent amount of mechanical grip like a BRZ.
Braking key at sebring, especially if you can’t rely on acceleration to make up your mistakes. It’s a tough track. For me I’m usually 2 seconds faster in hotlap mode than in race mode on this track due to braking a tad too early or a tad too late.
Online, it’s a tad bit annoying when other players take out brake markers. Like mentioned earlier, practice really is the best thing to do to learn the track and car.
If you’re looking to really push your car and get the most out of it, you’ll need to get a good wheel, because on a pad there limits to doing that.
Other than that, basic rules of precision driving apply:
Slow in, fast out
Pick your racing line from the outside of the turn; if it’s a right-hander, position your car on the left side of the track as you get ready for it
Don’t get aggressive with the brakes; watch the distance markers and use a combo of braking and engine-braking
Ease off the brakes completely before turn-in unless you prefer to trail-brake or brake late at the apex
Use the throttle to steer the car a bit and power out of turns
Don’t forget to use the entire track while negotiating corners (watch a live race on TV and you’ll know what I mean)
Turn the wheel only as much as you need to (on your analog stick) and jam it all the way only when you have to… again limits here, due to the speed sensitivity on the steering
Other than that, out of ideas! But you’re most welcome to add me on X-Live and I’ll take you on a flying lap! Just PM me.
Whilst I suspect I know what you are talking about here I think comments like this are running the risk of perpetuating the incorrect myths that often crop up on the forums.
If you want immersion get a wheel.
If you want the highest level of control over whether the game is “assisting” you or not get a wheel because there are non negotiable assists that happen with a controller no matter how you set it up.
If you want to be quick then forget about what is in your hands and work out how to be quick - controllers do just fine at being quick in the game, including being smooth and topping leaderboards.
I am not trying to be a so and so Speed Demon but I believe it is necessary to be clear here.
I was genuinely trying to help the OP get more out of the game, although I doubt the same is the case with your reply.
Are you denying the fact that a wheel gives you full control of the car at all times as opposed to the controller which has hidden assists, even if you keep all assists off and keep steering on sim? The controller decides how you steer given the speed and “angle of attack”. Are you also denying that? I’m sure you’ve played the game on a wheel, so I do not understand why you had to take the trouble of putting that down in a numbered listing.
I’ve been playing Forza as long as you. I know what I speak of.