Make Forza Motorsport a real sim - get rid of the simcade approach

[NightDriver7800]

@PTG_Baby_Cow

@P00hhead

AI behavior is not physics, in fact most of the stuff being discussed here isnt physics either, it’s gameplay.

As far as sales go, the more “simulation” the game is the worse the sales. Asseto Corsa, PCars and the rest sell abysmally on the Xbox and only get by because of the PS4 and PC sales. Forza has been #1 since FM3 and only recently has Horizon 3 taken over, although who knows how much of that is because of the free pack-in. FM have been tops for years and they arent going to go in direction the market tells them not to go in - simulation.

Wrong thread. The ai behavior thread is the other thread regarding physics currently circulating.

I agree with you that simulations dont sell well, but since the release of Pcars and forza horizon Motorsport is in an indentity crisis. I am not sure what you are on about with forza being king since fm3? If it werent for the fact that polyphony couldn’t keep a consistent schedule forza never would have been king. Forza 3 released in 09 - Gran Turismo PSP sold just as many copies, Forza 4 Released in '11 which didnt come anywhere near the sales that Gran Turismo 5 had (less than half), 2013 fm5 vs Gran Turismo 6 (almost double the sales) forza horizon sold nearly as many copies as fm5 and fm5 was a release title, Fm6 had no competitor however horizon 2 matched its sales. Fm7 is currently at about 1/3 the sales of gran turismo sport.

I am not saying the market tells them to go sim however gran turismo markets itself as a sim even tho it is also simcade and sells much better than forza, however in terms of forza sales it says go more arcade because horizon sells as well or better than motorsport anyways.

Gran Turismo sells because of name, they’ve been around since 1999 and created the genre from scratch, their name has more recognition no matter how bad the game is. It’s like the GTR3 that was announced last year, SimBin (now Sector 3) is a household name so it’ll attract attention even though all we got so far was vaporware.

But ask around, people in GT community sing the same tune as you with regards to GT, they say GT prime was GT4 still on the PS2(!) and everything went downhill since then. Some of them even moved on to Forza Motorsport(!), because it was more like what they wanted to play.

It’s actually really funny because if you search around you’ll find lots of people in GT community complaining about the reverse of what you say, they wanted a more simcade GT with upgrading and street cars, not an always-online simulator.

Besides, if your sales numbers are from VGChartz (which they seem to be as the numbers are the same), they don’t include digital sales at all, there’s people on PC buying Forza and they surely ain’t buying physical. My copy is digital and MS hasn’t disclosed sales numbers in a while.

Neither of them, Forza Motorsport nor Gran Turismo, have never been simulators. “The Real Driving Simulator” has always been a marketing ploy. And you just watch, Project CARS will begin to move away from simulation in small steps, as Ian Bell is after all the guy who gave us NFS Shift.