Why haven't things been fixed yet?

So I’ve been reading through a couple posts around the forums, and seen a lot of posts about wreckers and track cutters. And I’ve seen how snowowl has banned a few of these ppl for their behavior. Now, even tho I never played fm4, or 5 online much, I don’t remember there being so many trouble makers! I remember a lot of nice fun clean racing! Especially fm4! I met some really cool ppl and really good racers just hopping around. Now… you have to struggle just to fund a lobby with half decent racers!

A couple days ago I commented on a thread about how chat doesn’t work, and the vote to kick option is pointless. No one really responded to my comment, but I was a little off topic with what I said. So here’s a thread all about it!

WHY HASN’T CHAT BEEN FIXED YET!?!?! I remember a lot of situations in fm4 (where lobby chat WORKED!) when I would be in a lobby with clean racers (witch was most ppl back then) and then a “greifer” would join the room. They would bump and bash, cut track where they could, and cause chaos! And you know what happened ? WE THE RACERS would deal with it! Since we could easily communicate with each other we would be able to talk about the @$$#0/{ and how we needed to kick him from the lobby! So then when the race was over, and we were back in the lobby, we would “vote to kick”.
That brings me to the voting system. In fm4, when anyone voted to kick any other person from the room, the vote went public! A notice would pop up on everyone’s screen and everyone would be informed of who was being kicked out!

So here’s the issue. Now, in fm6, if there’s a cheater in the room (crasher/cutter) none of us can have a discussion about the guy that’s causing problems cause chat never works! And because we can’t discuss it, we can’t all agree to vote to kick someone due to their behavior! So when we get back to the lobby, no one votes cause really… what’s the point?

Now every keeps telling me “join a party!” NO!! I WILL NOT JOIN A PARTY! there’s lobby chat for a reason. So that everyone in the room can talk to each other! In fact, I think it’s rediculus that you can be in a public lobby, and be in a privet party! Why is this so? If you want to race with the public… then you should have to be in the same chat system as the public.

Anyways, my point is, if they would fix these 2 things (chat/vote to kick made public) then I think we would see a different pace of conversation about “greifers” here in the forums. If we had the ability to talk to each other, and public votes to kick ppl out… maybe that would make a difference in how crappy the lobbies have become. I know that this will not solve ALL issues with greifers… but it’s a start!

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I DO NOT do bans, Turn 10 employees are the only ones authorized to do so after evidence is provided. I am just a volunteer, like the forum moderators here.

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Ahhhh, my mistake. Your name is the only name I’ve heard throughout conversations about bans… my bad tho.

Mr SnowOwl only does forum bans, if I’m not mistaken, for violations of the T&C of the forums. Keep reporting crashers to T10, DVR certain instances, save replays, and write down GTs. It may not seem like it works, but it does. And keep making suggestions, rather than complaints, specifically in the “Features wish list.” You never know what could happen.

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I can completely empathize with your feelings

It is my assumptions the issue with chat and the vote to kick have something to do with Xone (totally unfounded theory of mine - when the issues arose and how the search/ and other items are versuse the X360. - It’s my sincerest hope that it wasn’t a T10 decision. plus I know other developers that struggled a bit with the same issues so it is my supposition.

I know in Horizon - we a group of us would get racing and we would just shame the offenders over the mic - hey, you know you would be a lot faster and able to keep up if you would stop trying to hit each other - not name calling -

Clean races are just it seems a thing of the past it seems in Forza - minus private lobbies. Pinnacle was pretty decent a couple months back but there was huge issues with connections and lag outs and frankly haven;t been on line since. (mostly Real life - not meant as a slam to developers).

The vote to kick - never really worked in my opinion - and worse in FM5 created other issues - were those voting got kicked or something like that.
I’m a live and let live kind of guy - and typically pretty aware so making them miss is quite honestly half the fun. My expectations are low for public lobbies so I’m not really disappointed. It would be nice to see an out let for it - Last man standing lobbies, or something like that - but what it always takes in the past is numbers of racers and talking.

In FM4 a host could create the lobby and anyone could join and it was policed by one person. If a wrecker came in - just say hey that isn’t tolerated - if you want to race please hang out, if need help on how to drive (LOTS OF PERSONS fit this bill) then we will help - better then 80% of those would chime on the mic and most got in line. - if not - peace out , please join another lobby,

Real racing has and is always been privately with friends or friends of friends or an organized event that has rules against deliberate wrecking. It’s sad. But its just this time - there really is just a prevalent narcissistic attitude and a complete lack of respect for others in game and out.

Expectations for public lobbies: The 1st sector is going to be a mess. You know, they know it - do your best to not antagonize - and when its over - the real race is on. If you discount that from getting upset - most of the time public lobbies are ok. There will always be jerks - its just the way it is and to have anonymity - it just makes it worse. I only save or do dvrs of very blatant - like totally forget to brake take outs in know take out places - report if you want - but definitely block.

Probably so many griefers in this game because everyone is getting bored of the same old stale forza with all its problems that havent been fixed since forza 1 (not to mention all the great features they removed) Dont expect any fixes for chat, vote kick, or anything anytime soon as turn10 and dan greenwallet think there is nothing wrong with the game.

Mad props to snowowl though, he is always doing the stuff turn 10 moderators are too lazy to do themselves.

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The problem is we users cannot create public lobbies and control who stays in them like in Forza 4. IMHO this is the only way to solve this problem. Banning people here and there is not going to work effectively. Give the power back to the people. People who want to play rough would be able to find a suitable lobby as well as we clean racers. Keep the hoppers in place but also allow user public lobbies where the host can kick the bad apples. So simple. There you go no one needs to be banned and everyone is happy and you have a better game. This will never happen I’m afraid and it will be the downfall of the Forza series if nothing changes. I’ve said this all before I know but who knows maybe someone will listen. If Project Cars a self funded game can have a host based system, why can’t Forza 6?