Is it that hard to understand that it doesn’t matter where the individual places as long as the team scores well. If I’m in second and you’re in third pushing me off on a corner so that YOU can be second just means that the team loses points and probably loses the race.
Unfortunately it seems to be the most baffling concept imaginable for the average FH4 player.
I blame streaming honestly. Everyone thinks they have to be #1 so to them there’s no team, only them. Idk maybe I’m reading into it a bit too much, but once this streaming trend started things changed drastically in online gaming.
I still laugh at that one time where we had already won the trial, just playing out the last few races, and the guy who had been constantly behind me in 2nd and trying to corner bomb me all trial tries for yet another corner bomb, misses, then rage quits.
Like dude, we had the win already. Apparently their ego was more important than the prize.
Yeah, the trials are a clown show, and your biggest enemy is your own team. You have to carry while dodging their best efforts to prevent you from doing so.
Because Multi-21, “Alonso is faster than you” and 2002 Austria. People hate being “second driver”, especially kids and broracers.
Originally, this game was completely based on team play. I don’t understand why they did it, but people complained a lot. Racing games tend to attract individualistic people, as opposed to shooters. We only got FFA Adventures quite a few months into the game’s life. Playground presented this team-based concept to a community who wanted none of that.
It might seem off-topic but despite the good routes the Lego expansion is the epitome of everything wrong with FH4 after release, IMO. “Everything’s cool when you’re part of a team”, sure, but, coming from the developers of all people, it felt to me as if Playground was calling out some of the playerbase out of spite rather than just trying to listen to the complaints.
Well, playing a “team” game where you don’t get to pick your “team” is not my idea of team racing. So I don’t do it.
One thing I’ve learned from a lot of online racing/gaming is that there are a lot of people who are in these games that are absolutely, positively not thinking about the game the way you are.
Some people go to the movies to watch the show.
Some people go for the air conditioning and snacks and just to not be wherever they just were.
Some people go to drop their kids off like public babysitting.
It’s weird how I have come to race in so many good Trials.
S2 in rain can be bad, Cross Country in general too, unless you have a team familiar with routes. S1 event on last summer season was exceptional because of route selection and that Drivatar team didn’t match Player team PI.
I have way over hundred Trials played, most of them successful and in when speaking in general, it starts to look a bit funny when some players never appear to have good experience in Trials.
That said, players who aim to win, no matter what kind of havoc they cause in process happen too. For me it looks like these fall mainly in two groups. Those whom are there to show off which are minority and those whom may not have much patience to begin with and fall in to trap where they can’t tell the difference between feeling like they are going fast and actually going fast. In tighter races collisions happen when someone actually slows down to take inside curve to exit faster with player who approach corner fast and try bouncing from wall.
There are outliers, like players who try to outright sabotage other players, players whom gives minimum effort and are there just to be carried but for me these has appeared to be small minority. It’s a popular title with huge number of players, there will always be all sorts of players.
There might be that lot’s of players have moved on to other games at this point of games life cycle. Yet it still gets new players. I saw a lot of players during Summer Trial without single prestige and low level and new comers are still learning.
Something perhaps worth thinking is also that some players are small kids, some are seniors and everything between. For many more experienced players Trial may has become a chore and for some it has been that from the beginning, something to do to get the prize car.
Also, Horizon has always done it’s own thing in comparison to Forza Motorsport series. Horizon formula has made it huge success. Expecting it to be some sort of Forza Motorsports Next, is fools errand. It’s just not built for that (and MP franchise sure had its own share of issues LOL).
No, it is not just you. I have great experiences in Trials all the time, actually, it is my favorite racing mode. I hate Freeroam rush, so all racing modes with that shitty thing is out of the window. Trials is not hypercompetitive also, so I get to drive many interesting cars that would not have any chance in a competitive mode. When there are hard trials, I go out of my way to help others with the runs as well.
I need to be honest here, but my guess is that players that are complaining about trials all the time are a) not that good drivers and they cannot consistently beat the AI on that difficulty level or b) have a very low number of trial races under their belt and maybe RNG played a role here.
The only trial I did not finish ever was a Cross Country event where I literally failed 10 times in a row and lost interest. In Cross Country, one bad jump can make you miss checkpoint and it tends to frustrate me, because I am bad at it.
It is also clear why this is a team game: The reason is there should be a chance for players to win it even though they cannot beat the unbeatable AI. If it would be solo ranked, the good people would win every time and the not-so-skilled guys would lose every team. I love it and it is the best thing about Horizon for me.
If you have problems to get the car, add me to your friendslist, I am more than happy to drive with everyone and help them get their cars.
Yeah, last I checked achievement stats, Trial was the most popular Playlist event.
And indeed, ability to try all those different cars in team race, Trial is one of the least appreciated aspects of Playlist. For what I have read, there are just few car options in League racing that are competitive. Trial is in good spot being somewhere between single player and competitive MP.
Did ten runs on this Winter’s Trial (so far) but it looks like usually. Mostly great game. One I quit as I got rammed on second race before first checkpoint and ended in bad rewind loop. One Trial lost, out of ten that’s not bad.
Saw good team play, other stuff too. Someone with blue Porsche 550 Spyder, but player was good! went to win first two races. I covered the second position, was racing with Ferrari P4 myself, Spyder has it limitations but I just kept following. It’s that sometimes you just know, this someone had took that Porsche on this for universally good reason, why the heck no? We had two wins and In the last race he was starting behind and I just flew through that circuit. We won that race too. Ha!
Something I have been thinking is another game mode and I really liked if you could take a look. I posted it for discussion here. I think I’m going to post it to feature suggestions on coming week.
I agree with the will to demonstrate superiority in the game and being first but I don’t think it is only that. Many players, kids or not, just play the way they are used to play. I mean that everyone starts with solo with absolutely not a single thing pushing them to play clean and quite the opposite. Expecting those to suddenly change the way they play because they are online, well, surpriiiise, not working …
For players to behave as a team, the logic of team points is not enough, they need that feeling of team. No automatic vocal public chat opened between players of same team, no disclaimer about expected behavior before starting, T10 almost killed the club feature, just this show of the cars and drivers which has simply no single even tiny value added.
I dunno, I very rarely come across drivers with bad manners. In the weekly trial events, at least. Mostly everyone drives responsible.
1 time I got matched up with a team of douchebags after I entered a race with all assists turned on. I was testing something before and simply forgot to turn them off before entering the trial. And everyone drove like nuts. I guess I got matched up with some dumb brats with full arcade driving physics.