Warning: Conspiracy Theory Included; Tinfoil Hats Required

From progress lost,
to bugged Treasure Hunts,
to quirky AI’s,
to making us team up with rammers to repeat the trial until we win if we want the points,
to server issues,
to etc., etc., etc.

I’m starting to think many problems won’t get fixed because the way they are now promotes more play by having to replay and redo various challenges ad nauseum. I’ll also go so far as to say that I think there’s a possibility some of these “bugs” were designed from the jump for the same reason. I have exactly zero facts to prove this, so I have as good of chance being wrong as I am right, but I can think of no other earthly explanation why some of the shortcomings are still present in the game today, while new and improved flaws seem to get added to the list.

Prove me wrong, please.

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Tinfoil hat in place & standing by :grin:

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All games will have bugs and issues. All games will also have their good and bad aspects. With that said it is fustrating how some key issues in this game remain unfixed for almost a year now. To make matters worse these issues may never get solved.

Now I could go on a tangent and talk about how PGG are focused on their upcoming title Fable, or how many bugs/issues date back to FH4 if not earlier, or how mods here are PR for PGG. But at the end of the day it doesn’t matter what any of us say, it is what it is. Meaning this is the state of game for better or worse and it’s going to stay this way for the remainder of its life.

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Wait…is this game advice or marital advice? :smile:

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Stay tuned for the next episode of Dr Anonyyymous.

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Even after playing Rivals now I have to wait for about 2 minutes until my car stops racing, (long after the race is over). Glitch? Maybe, maybe not. Like many people here, I could go on and on with examples. Why can’t we switch cars in Rivals? It’d be too fast?

It’s bad aye. Btw if you’re on Xbox then restart game (remove from quick resume). It seems to help a lot.

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Yeah, that was happening to me. And then my run wouldn’t register for the season.

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it’s a different PGG team making Fable, separate from the Horizon team

but it does seem a lot of bugs did just transfer across from FH4

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My point was that PGG are focusing their resources on Fable and not FH5 which in their eyes was completed a year ago when it was released. The FH5 team would either be disbanded, finishing dev on expac 2, or reassigned to help with Fable. In fact, apparently Fable is being built ontop of the same engine used in FH5.

The opposite of bugs is that you play more.

1/ If the Ai were better I would play more.
2/ If open racing had no server issues I would play more. It often takes 10 minutes to get into a race.

So the opposite works even better.

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I do sometimes wonder what things would be like if another developer took a shot at making Horizon. Granted, this could easily a Monkey’s Paw situation where another developer could come in, but do worse. However, I think it goes without saying that Playground now is definitely not the Playground it was when it started. In Horizon 1, you could see the DNA from several games by Codemasters, Bizarre Creations, Criterion Games, Blackrock Studios, and others, but other than the Baja Stadium (which, I swear is callback to DiRT 2) and other various things that have carried over from sequel to sequel, I feel like most members of the old team have gone away, and we’re just stuck with newbies in the industry who are working on a racing game because they have to, not because they want to.

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Depends how you look at it. For me FH5 is hands down the best game on gamepass right now. It definitely isn’t perfect and IMO is a step backwards from FH4 but like many I’m still playing it 1 year later so it can’t be that bad.

Also aside from paying for 3 years of ultimate GP subscription which cost me next to nothing, I’ve spent $30 NZD total on this game which was for the HWs expansion. So overall as an Xbox user this game has been great value for money.

PGG could totally stop making Horizon games too which would leave us with fewer options, all of which have their own issues. But PGG obviously has a big enough demand for the Horizon series and as such we will see more titles in the future which for me personally is great because I love how cars handle in this game.

my point was that there is 2 teams at PGG
there is 1 for Fable and 1 for Horizon
the team for horizon would still be “fixing” FH5 and dont forget there is another expansion to come, as well as starting FH6

Finally took the time to do the weekly playlist this morning. Just wanted 20 points to get the exclusive car. I think I had 16 and was doing the extreme offroad in A class for 5 pts. Had already done 2 of the 3 races, then went to start my 3rd, and my xbox suddenly resets. After waiting a few minutes for it to load back up, it showed I had 2 points for the season. Could’ve been way worse, (and has been in the past), but it’s still a mystery how only on this game do I encounter such quirks.

Sure why not . . .
Xbox One S . . .
I have had multiple issues of cars in my garage suddenly vanishing . .
Just one EX:- I built a RWD Porsche 959 for drag races - carry over tune from FH4.
I went to go get it for some fun - great for doing controlled wheelies in the race, and it was just gone - like it never existed. . . .
Others - lost a Bone Shaker - never use this , and an FXX that I keep 2 for the META when needed races, and the other for the long Sprint races with high top speed - Goliath - that one . . poof . . .

Recent - HW event - raced challenges from mid S1 to mid S2.
Got all the cars / perks along the way.
Shut down, came back the next day and the entire race history that day was gone.
Except, that it still listed my better race times from the prior day.
I lost all of the cars / tunes / liveries - and I spent a . . .long time . . . tuning that BTTB to be my OP for HW. . . .just gone . . .

Official Tin hat card carrying member . . .

not really . . . . .

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The only time I’ve noticed myself losing cars was as a result of trying to play between XSX and PC where I encountered nasty sync issues. Are you all doing something similar or are you encountering this while only playing on one platform?

For me, I’ve only been on Xbox One S, connected via ethernet with very fast cable. No issues on any other game–ever. I’ve lost progress I think a total of 6 or 7 times since launch. Since I don’t get to play every day, when I do play, I try to put in several hours of tuning and then racing. If I had to guess, I’d say I’ve lost a total of 30 hrs. worth of play that I ended up having to do again, including tunes. Strange thing is, if I do Rivals, my time is logged even when I’ve lost all progress. On 2 separate occasions I’ve posted times in Rivals after acquiring a new exclusive car and tuning it, yet all my progress disappeared, tune gone, car gone, but time still shows for Rivals. Even with all this “proof”, nothing has ever come from me submitting a ticket, other than my increasing disdain for Agent McNuggets.

For the first 3 months, I couldn’t buy anything at the Auction House. It took my money then displayed a message that I didn’t have enough credits, (despite being anywhere from 10-20 million at the time). Nothing worse than not being able to get one of a few cars I didn’t have, yet the cost of the car was immediately deducted from my total. I was able to get my credits back each time I restarted the game though.

I now take screenshots after getting 20pts as well as 40, for proof I guess, which I’m sure is a complete waste of time.

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Been plagued most recently by the server issues effecting rivals you mentioned earlier in the thread. This is obviously a global issue as I was playing with friends from Australia having the exact same issues at the same time. Multiple restarts thinking you finally have it, make a good run & it’s bugged again. Very frustrating.