Yeah, it’s stupid allowing skill-less people win the championship. Saying that though, i’ve come to realise that winning an online championship ship is absolutely pointless! You only get 2000 more credits than second place whether you beat them by 10 xp or 30000 xp and there’s no benefit towards the next ‘adventure’ such as extra voting points (which should be a reward btw!).
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If you win each race and do so cleanly (no crashes, gain skills yourself for clean driving (which give you more points than drifting does)), you will win the championship. The math works that way - the points divide only allows for some much ground to be made via purely skill points. Seriously, I’ve seen people whine about this so much (ingame more than the forum) and every time it’s been because they ram people or managed to crash. Which means they gain no skill bonus even though they won the race. And every other time, it’s that they didn’t win each race and the supposed runner up raced cleaner than they did.
I’ve been racing for a long time. Before HE cars were patched out of adding their bonus to online play (that’s right, they removed that functionality some time ago) this was an actual problem. However not anymore. Drifting in the back can only gain you so much if you are coming in last, or second last, or third last…
You get what place you earn. You don’t gain skill points if you don’t race clean. And if you race clean and go fast, you will make more than enough skill points by the end for your win to skyrocket you up the board. If what the OP said was true (which it might not be about how far away he was from losing) then he either crashed a lot or got the win and had no skill chain the whole race (which is next to impossible if you don’t crash).
No, here we go again. That just isn’t true. I’ve won about 90% of my races in Online Adventure but have won less than 50% of the XP championships … and I don’t think I’ve caused a single accident in any Adventure race. Even in Collisions Off, I lose the XP championship more often than not. And a good number of the ones I’ve won were because I didn’t let drifters finish.
I would like racing lobbies and improvements to Adventures, but losing XP championships doesn’t really bother me. The people in the lobbies know who’s winning and the money is chump change. But saying the math is in the clean racers’ favor is just wrongo. When you don’t care about skill chains and only get skill points for speed and clean racing, when you don’t go out of your way to hit signs and such in the drives to events, the math is still in the drifters’ favor … and not by a little. It’s not about individual skills, it’s about chains. Clean racing rarely nets chains.
I seriously have to wonder if my time zone has less drifters and more racers.
I don’t think I have won 90% of my races but I believe my average finish position in xp leaderboards would be very close to my average finish position in races.
I can only remember being in adventures with 3 forumites. 2 were relatively short sessions.
The longest one was with Pervasive and from memory we shared the spoils in both race results and xp for most of that time. I even one an xp leaderboard by drifting but found it harder work than winning via driving lol.
I don’t know what it is but it appears that some can win lots of races without getting enough xp but myself and Medic seem to get enough xp when we win.
he doesnt have 90% winrate. nobody has unless you fake your stats like noobs/kids do. he is bad believe me.
back to topic. the system has its problems like if you get rammed by a kid you get less exp together with the crashkid. so they can ruin your exp just by that and that happens alot if you have a bad start position. no collision is there for a reason but i prefer real races.
I’ve only played through 2 online championships (for a Forzathon), won only one of all the races, yet I won both championships. I just raced as clean as I could, and being mostly offroad, I racked up a lot of skill points. Air time, drifting and banana plants FTW.
I still think they need to reward where you finish more heavily. This would probably fix a lot of the issue. I can win either way. Doesn’t matter to me. I will say that the moment I get wrecked or if I miss a checkpoint, me trying to win vs me “laying sideways” the whole race does change.
In single player it’s called championship = points based (finishing position)
In multiplayer it says XP championship = who gains the most XP leads
I really don’t understand how it’s confusing
Would I like the game to have an online championship. ABSOLUTELY.
But I’m not confused as how to get to top of XP championship board. If I would rather actually race with friends. I do and don’t begraudge the 2k-10k credits I’m missing out on.
They nerfed our XP over this! How is it so hard to grasp.
If you want to win XP championship. Do things that earn you XP: race cleanly, drift, speed bonus, race cleanly.
If you want to win the race : race cleanly and go for it
If you want to do both combine the two and see where you end up. I’m usually a podium, in championship and if not what’s a couple thousand credits. I don’t go online to make credits.
I would like a Points based championship, I would like a cycled production event so we could play a bunch of classes. I put all those wishes in the wish list, if you haven’t please do so
As mentioned, I was well out front in all 4 events. All my races were clean, with maybe one or two starting line bumps, and I still lost to someone with 15k more points at the end of the championship. The guys behind me were definitely not racing clean. I think this may have been the first championship, where I’ve won all of the events. It’s a little depressing not to also win the Championship. Guess I’ll have to learn to slide around all the corners, if I want to win.
I am with Medic on this one, especially since the HE cars have been nerfed.
Have I won every race and lost the xp leaderboard? Sure but not by much. But guess what? I don’t care. I won 4 races, that was my aim. But 90% of the time when I do well in the races I win the xp leaderboard.
The xp leaderboard is to try and keep the also rans there so the lobbies are not ghost towns.
As JonK described it, the winner of FH races is the person who crossed the finish line first. The xp championship is something that goes alongside the races to give the others something to work on.
No idea why people moan about this. Actually I think it makes it more competitive and prevents the same person winning over and over. This is an Arcade Racer. A lot of people seem to think H3 is a sim racer, when clearly it isn’t.
It literally makes it less competitive because it incentivises not “competing” in the races. That what I don’t like about it. Including time spent in FH2, which had roughly the same system, I’ve heard dozens of people say into their mic, “I wasn’t even trying to win” … or some other version of the same sentiment. We can all just drive around in freeroam. But when the flag drops, whether on the F1 circuit or in MarioKart, that’s a race.
Isn’t “leaving your limits” kind of the whole idea of Horizon? This is not Forza 6. The XP championship is meant to be fun. It’s not meant to be a stone-cold competition. It would be a lot more structured if it was that. People are confusing the XP championship like the results are some kind of sorting hat separating the elite from the normies. Well I’m sorry that you can’t dominate a server, but right now there are more ways to win the XP championship that don’t revolve around driving a leaderboard vehicle and smoking everyone.
No, thanks to the fact that said level of competition is pretty much demonized for being toxic and unfriendly, modes like this have a place. That’s the way it is. This is not Forza Motorsports. For once, there is a system that actually supports using different types of vehicle in the same set of races in a way that everyone gets a fair chance to win and their vehicles will get their time to shine. Of course there are much more boring non-mixed routes to go down, but for some reason people seem to be fixated on the XP championship being the only way anyone is shown who’s boss, which is not even the point of it.
Thankfully, there are more structured modes for you to play if you want that kind of experience.
I still hold that the majority of this problem went away when HE cars stopped giving bonuses on MP, because pretty much every championship win I’ve seen has been from somebody that earned it fair and square.
Different stokes for different folks. It is competitive in that if you want to come in first and win the xp you are gonna need to work for it, improve your skills which are gonna have to be more than just driving fast. It adds an element of chance and forces you to drift, get skills chains etc… if you really want to win both aspects. Again this is an arcade racer which arcade aspects. I like to learn the tracks first and kinda skip the skill stuff, but as I get faster and more familiar with a track I find I can do more skill stuff at the same time which is where I find the challenge in the game. If they did stuff like remove all the traffic, make it just who comes in first they are taking away some of the challenging aspects of the game. H2 has been out a while, you knew exactly what you were getting. Can’t say anything has really surprised me in H3. I’m pretty sure Blizzard Mountain will be the same ghost town Storm Island ended up being and you couldn’t find a race sometimes.
Needs crash damage to stop the dodgem drivers ruining your clean races. None contact is good for learning the courses but players just hit all the corners flat out and its just a joke not racing at all.
There are many things wrong with this game, but with XP based competitions they have done a good game design decision. With the current PI system mess and without XP based competitions it would be madness in the online races. The current system rewards players, who drive clean and fair, as it should be (at least this way rammers and lunatics get their little “reward” also).