Here are my stats from the Forza Profile->My Drivatar page:
Total Races: 1331
Total Miles: 14,466
Drivatar Sync: 73%
Perfect Turns: 8675
Good Turns: 15526
Perfect Passes: 823
Good Passes: 6171
Car Collisions: 5953
I didn’t see a stat about non-penalized laps.
So pretty much exactly the same as the collision on lobbies but with no vigilantes. I can accept that. At least I can get around the track without being spun out 6 times by angry people. I don’t need to finish first, but I’m darn tired of DNF-ing because I’ve been spun so many times.
However, collisions off, damage on lobbies, and they are two different attributes would adddress your concern. The wall rider would eventually damage his car and be limping to the pit.
I can even accept a situation where if all 4 of your tires are off the track your suspension takes massive damage. The allows the right racing line but penalizes anyone who cuts a corner intentionally or accidently. But that requires coding changes, testing etc. So probably won’t happen.
I think we’re both fighting for the same thing. Get rid of the idiots that smash people intentionally, yes? There are a few ways this can happen, 1 forza crash team back 2 bring back user created lobbys 3 collisions off. My opinion is we all want 1 or 2 but if not 3 will have to do. The problem I have with 3 (your request) is it WILL be successful and this is the way turn 10 would go with future tittle’s and that’s the main problem I have with it. You will always get people not playing games the way it was intended, that’s online gaming. You must have had some really good races and added people you raced. Their not all bad.
How did this get so complicated? Stay on topic, people.
The OP is suggesting a simple way to provide for clean racing that could be implemented right now.
He’s not arguing it’s The Grand Solution to all the online problems. He’s not arguing that griefers are the only problem. He’s not arguing that a better long term solution shouldn’t be pursued.
This isn’t about corner-cutting or wall-riding. It’d be great if all these problems could be solved at once, but they can’t. Those of us who like the OP’s suggestion don’t like corner-cutting or wall-riding either. We would like to see those issues addressed, but they’re much more complicated than dealing with crashers.
As the OP has pointed out, this isn’t a zero-sum game. Creating these lobbies doesn’t mean resources can’t be allocated to deal with the other problems. If anything, the creation of these lobbies would allow T10 to put more time into solving the more complex problems because, at least for the time-being, this “bandage” would provide some relief for people who want clean races - it won’t shut us up, but it’ll quiet us down.
Yes; down the line, it’d be great to go back to collisions. They do make the game more fun and immersive.
But, whereas the game as it currently is doesn’t offer much in the way of solutions to our problems, it can handle the creation of a few new lobbies.
Between a little improvement and none at all, I’ll take the former. If it doesn’t interest you, then you can keep playing in the current lobbies until the bigger problems are fixed.
It’s not complicated.
QFE
Monte, we do want the same end goal. But you should be standing next to me demanding change and not trying to shut me down. Yes, I’ve made a few friends. None that are on all the time like I am. And they’re all over the world. So the chance of us reconnecting is even smaller. I’ve been in 1670 races and 9785 collisions. Eliminate the career races, so say 50 to be generous. And we’ll say 285 collisions took place in those career races.
That leaves 1620 races and 9500 collisions. That’s about 6 collisions per online race. Doesn’t sound so bad right? If you ignore the first crash for purposes of argument, because new racers and crowds are trouble, that still leaves me 5 crashes per race, every race. You need to believe me when I tell you that while some of them are my fault, the overwhelming majority are dirty racers and crashes. I’ve already experienced close to 10,000 crashes. I’m over it. And if T10 can’t or won’t address the dirty racing, then I need a break. Or I’ll quit. And I imagine so will others. The XBONE is not that well entrenched. T10 needs every player it can get. I recommended this game to 2 friends and they bought it because of me. I’m very close to turning around my thought and telling people not to get it because once you get done with career all that awaits you is 10,000 crashes.
I need some relief and unfortunately I’m new, and only an average driver so despite my intentions I’m forced to race with the worst of us. And so are others. And we’ve had enough. So please stop arguing against our request. It won’t hurt you because they’re not taking anything away from you. And as the better and more serious drivers experience this stuff the more of them will speak up. (Just look at Stella Stig for one) Lend your voice to theirs and get T10 to address it.
I have a friend who an avid iRacing player. I’m ashamed to have him come over and try the multiplayer mode because it’s just that bad. He enjoyed single player but I doubt after his iRacing experience he’d enjoy multiplayer because you simply cannot race unless you get very lucky and happen to not get hit in the first turn and everyone else does giving you enough time to get away from anyone being an idiot. I’ve had less than 10 clean races, and by clean races I mean ignoring accidental contact only. That’s not racing it’s a bloodsport.
And to anyone else that says it’s not real racing, please just stop. Tag, and Virus aren’t real racing but those lobbies exist just the same and don’t hurt you in anyway. As do drift lobbies and drag lobbies. All these lobbies exist outside the normal paradigm of what “real racing” is and don’t hurt you in any way. So let us noobs enjoy our fake racing. We’ll support the game while you guys go on as you were. Otherwise many of us are just going to put it down and not come back. It will take awhile, few people play as much as I do, but it will happen. Unless T10 does something.
As an example I have shared 2 replays. One from last night and one from 10 minutes ago. This is what the overwhelming majority of my races are like. I make no bones about the fact that I am not a great driver. I make mistakes, miss turns badly and wind up cutting corners or bumping people. I’m not great. But this is ridiculous.
The first one is called “Peewee Kandy being a jerk” and is from last night.
The second one is from 10 minutes ago and is called “Just Plain Bloodsport.” When you see me get close to QtheCurleyJew (not an epithet that is his real gamertag) it’s not to retaliate, I never do that. It’s to see if his car said what I thought it said. Yes it does.
Take the time to watch them start to finish from multiple car’s perspective. And when in my car, use bumper cam so you see what I’m seeing.
How do I report to T10 a paintjob that isn’t shared but is still offensive?
And yes, I reported every driver who was bashing intentionally, which I double-checked by watching the replays.
Thanks for sharing those replays!! So many times I see people complaining but then are unwilling to record/post evidence. I applaud you for putting these out in front of the community!!! 
From what I saw you’re having a tough time controlling that Atom (which is one of the harder cars to drive in this game). In my opinion, the crashes in those two videos were not the main cause of low-place finishes. There were just too many mistakes in your laps to run good times.
Do you always race in R-class? Do you always race the Atom?
browser double post.
+1 for no-collision lobbies; I’d go there a lot while I continue learning how to drive and race with fewer and fewer assists. I think a lot of not-that-great racers would enjoy the chance to race and learn without threat of getting crashed or crashing others.
In old lobbies I was getting crashed out about 15 of 20 races but was also medaling about 5 out of 20 races (including 4 golds in about 80 races). New lobbies seem really encouraging as the racers are sorted, and I’ve been crashed out just 4 times in 20 races. But no medals: I’ve gone 0 for 20 so far (dead last 16x, lost a bronze in the 20th race at the last sec).
No collision lobbies would take very little of their time and effort to build.
There’s just one problem though. Developers today think they know what their customers want. They think they can create the best experiences for their customers. Unlike the old days of gaming, there are no tools for gamers to create their own lobbies and set their own rules. The industry today targets casual gamers who require very little after sale support. It’s just the way it is.
I freely admit that I have my issues driving. In the Bloosport replay I was in first until the turn 1 where I missed my breakpoint and stuck in the grass. I could not get out of it. I lost a great deal of time but still had the lead cleanly when I recovered. I saw the Bugatti coming and held my line on the right. The Bugatti nosed passed me at the end of the straight and as I was following my line trying to let him pass we bumped slightly. This would probably have ended badly for me because one does not simply hit others in an Atom. It’s like throwing a ping pong ball at a tornado. However, 1 split second after the very light tap the idiot came and exploded all four of us into the grass, and way deep in the corner. He did this by waiting at the finish for us to come around and then, a lap down, he followed up with the explicit intent of crashing us. Had he not done that I might have finished in the top 3. The other cars were simply not driving well and the Bugatti can’t corner that well. If I can execute in the corners, I can win. But I’ll gladly settle for a mid-pack finish as long as it’s not the result of this stuff. No matter how many times I tried to fight my way back that idiot kept catching me.
After the first crash I made it back to third before he hit me again and put me in the grass. The next time he hit me drpped me to 6th and that’s where I finished. My own driving may have cost me that race but I"ll never know because it was specifically being crashed by that idiot QtheCurleyJew that took me out of contention and repeatedly kept me there. The other drivers were about as bad maybe even worse than me. I mean, did you see the guy driving the ford? I still can’t decide if he’s that bad or just kept trying to knock me out and kept missing.
As for what I race, I prefer slower cars. However I’m currently being OCD and maxing out affinities. I’m currently at 19 affinities maxed and I finished the Ariel last night. So I won’t be bringing that car back out. That said, there are several manufacturers that only have R and/or above cars. I’m going to get them out of the way and go back down to slower cars. But it doesn’t matter, lower class lobbies are even worse. By the time I was done racing last night I had 10 replays saved of idiots being idiots. I can’t report them all. There’s not enough save space. Something has to be done.
In both races I will freely admit I may have finished last due to my skill level. But my skill level become a non-factor because I can’t get a complete lap in without being hit on purpose. Sometimes it’s several drivers who hate being passed, or feel that accidental contact was deliberate, and sometimes it’s psycopaths like Peewee Kandy and QtheCurleyJew who are intent on ruining your experience.
Last night when I posted I had 1670 races and 9785 collisions, this morning I haven’t raced yet. My new numbers are 1696 races 9916 collisions. 26 Races last night and 131 new collisions. This is not an outlier, this is the norm.
As for the rest of my stats
15,393.20 miles
Perfect turns 4314
Good Turns 12,029
But when I miss a turn I miss badly. However I do everything I can to only affect me.
Perfect Passes 685
Good Passes 4359
Quite frankly I prefer to stay way wide than earn extra points. It’s just not worth risking angering someone by getting close.
@Payne - Yes. I do get a lot of perfect turns/passes and I’d say that about 1/2 of my laps are clean (50% is just an estimate but I’d also note that I think most of my dirty laps are from drafting). I don’t initiate much contact with other racers and I’m also pretty good in avoiding the other drivers (including drivers that are just inexperienced as well as drivers who are only out to grief). The majority of my racing is in A-class with some B, C and a little X class sprinkled in. I don’t think I’ve raced online in R or P class.
It’s not like I don’t run into bad drivers (inexperienced and/or griefers). I certainly have seen my share. However, encountering bad drivers is not what I would consider “the norm”. Most of my races contain drivers that are at least trying to race clean and most of the griefers I run into are pretty bad at griefing. As much as I despise griefers I do have to say that pulling the brake and watching them miss and fly by does result in a certain level of satisfaction. I have a few game DVR replays of epic griefer fails! Funny stuff!! 
It would be a good idea to compare stats from the game. I’ll look when I get home and try to remember to come back and post my own stats.
I agree have the option for a collision off lobby.
Especially when reporting seems to do nothing.
Maybe we could have an option to install a ramp on the back of our vehicles… LOL.
Never played this game online, as to people seem to take it too serious. I always play games drunk in my spare time, whenever I have time to. And I’m sure I’d get reported left and right by a lot of you. But then again, I don’t pay for live either. So count yourself lucky.
I gave multiplayer a try last night and I am sad to say that it isnt any better than it was the last time I stopped playing onlne.
Online isnt even racing. Since there is no penalty for slamming into other cars every race is as much about luck and demolition derby as racing.
I believe a fix would be as simple as making the cars ghost around the corners. Otherwise you will still have people using the back of your car as a brake while you are slowing down to take a corner the proper way. Also the corners are wherr people force themselves inside and use your car as a cushy rail or wall they can bounce off of.
This is supposed to be a racing simulation. In real life these types of acts would destroy your car and your career. In Forza 5 multiplayer these acts ruin the experience.
It’s not really much of a simulation if the cars can’t touch each other.
Personally I’m not a fan of racing with collision off, but I can see how many of you would love it. There is enough of you that have posted in here that you could:
A. Friend each other
B. Create your own private lobby
C. Run the settings you want
THIS ^