I am in a group that just runs all classes with collisions off. Its pretty good with lag and its still feels like a race and rewards skill and car choice over blocking and crashing. Also we use it to see how a newly bought/ tested/tuned/retuned/built cars go in a race.
Also we have a handicap system so we try and make everyone have a chance to win. We can have lots a really close races I have already been in 2 races that after 5 laps to drivers get the exact total time. Its fun and not random at all. You can still get under pressure its just not as much.
I for 1 totally understand why you are asking for these lobbys, there are to many crashers. People with lag I have sympathy for when racing, I can see them floating about and if we make contact I know it unintentional even though this can result in massive crashes some times, but surely there can be a better way of removing intentional crashers (forza crash team) as we now can save replays. The reason I say this is we want to RACE and I can’t see how everyone ghosted is racing. As I say I do understand what your saying and why but if I can just drive through you not againt you is that racing?
Well you could say your not really racing, your playing a game, its like I could say that your not really racing if you use the line because that’s just not apart of real racing.
Once again, giving us some collisions-off lobbies does not in any way affect those of you who do not want them. You can pretend they do not exist. The only reason to prevent their creation is because you enjoy hitting others and do not want your potential targets decreased. There is simply no other effect as a result of creating, in addition to the already present lobbies, some collisions-off lobbies.
If you never enter the collisions-off hoppers because you feel it’s not real racing then they will have 0 effect on you. 0. None. Zilch. But for those of us tired of being punted and crashed and bashed it will improve our experience by 1000%.
Lastly anyone who argues about real racing is wasting their time. Unless it’s a damage on lobby with assists and lines off with penalties and sanctions for contact, wall riding and corner cutting then your argument is invalid on it’s face. Attempting to use that very broken line of thinking to prevent those of us who wish to just race is a poorly thought out and selfish endeavor.
edit: I know this is not a perfect solution. I would much prefer that T10 police the lobbies, kick and ban the idiots and turn damage on, and penalize corner cutting and wall riding. But that would require resources and possible games changes. Thus I’m advocating collision-off lobbies because it requires virtually nothing from T10 to implement and absolutely 0 policing. Thus, the cost and effort is less than negligible. Even if they only do it temporarily until they really address the core issue of dirty racers and crashers that would be enough. And it would not cost T10 anything. Thus there is no disincentive for T10 to do it.
First off to say the only reason to vote against these lobbys it that everyone is intentionally smashing people, that’s not true its a percentage of idiots that need to be sorted! And to say it wouldn’t affect normal lobbys is not true either as numbers would decrease, as I said before I completely agree with why you want them, I just think its a massive shame this seems to be the best fix,
Using the rest of us as dither fishes is not an acceptable excuse. Either you want to hit people or there is no valid reason to object to giving people a safe haven from these idiots while not taking anything else away from anyone else. I would be willing to bte that the more of us that head to collisions-off lobbies the more the “I don’t care crowd” would start to care to for just that reason.
I don’t crash people as you are suggesting, I would think it a massive shame that the only way to avoid these crashers would be collisions off lobbys,(running away if you will). All I’m saying if turn 10 brought back the crash team as in forza 4 we could sort the problem a better way. After all collisions off lobbys you would still get cheats ie the corner cutters and wall riders, which myself I find in lobbys a lot more than crashers.I race C through to A online daily,
Add a time attack hopper, so you’re not hotlapping by yourself you have real time racing without the added frustration of griefers. I think thats a great idea, and very easily added. or as everyone has said for months now… bring back full custom public lobbies…
Full on time attack style lobbies, corner cutting and crashing are now completly eliminated.
Collisions off lobbies…H##L yes, please. I can’t stand crashers and it does kill the online play. It only makes sense to add it. Of course you could open your own room but. who has that many friends online at the same time playing the same game. This would make me very happy when T10 adds it. Yeah that was hoping. But seriously it would not effect you guys much that want to draft and have a more real experience. But the crashers really upsets the mess out of me and many many many many others that play the game. Or they could bring back the kick window were you see it to make it easier to kick the bad racers. Some people just don’t get the system that is in place to kick dirty racers. Hell, T10 give me some power in this I would be more than happy to record races and report people that race dirty so they can be banned for there game play. Im a clean racer and always have been. Hear my voice, hear our voice. Help us stop the dirty racers there killing us and killing your online race experience.
And I meant what I said I would love to help for free with getting rid of the dirty racers.
I would be glad to help too. There’s only so many people I can report and or block. And with only a few slots open to save replays I cannot log every race I’m in to review so I can be sure I’m correct in my evaluation of the behavior. Collisions-off lobbies in addition to the ones present would be a low-cost, low-overhead, easy fix.
I’m going to amend my statement from earlier. There are 2 motivations for arguing against creating these lobbies.
You are a dirty racer and you don’t want your potential target pool decreased.
You feel your chances of being hit are reduced when there are more people in the lobby.
My response to the latter is that those of us who want collisions-off lobby are tired of being the other Gnu’s in the river distracting the crocodiles for you.
Anyone who says it’s not racing is displaying poor reading comprehension. Why? Because if you feel it’s not real racing then you can pretend those lobbies don’t exist and then they will not affect you in any way. Thus what you’re actually saying is that you would not participate in those lobbies, and not that they shouldn’t exist. We stipulate that those people who don’t feel it’s real racing need never enter the colllisions-off lobbies. Continue just as you were. You won’t miss us.
That line of thinking though is invalid on it’s face. Without damage on, assists and lines off, sanctions, penalties, time penalties, winning’s reduction and black flags none of it is real racing. As long as you can cut a corner, wall ride or deliberately hit someone without fear of consequences it’s not real racing. Those of us tired of being treated like soccer balls would like a place to play free from the idiots. And if we consider that real racing, why would that matter to you? Answer, see above.
Deliberately hit someone with out consequence is not real racing, tell that to my son who was really kart racing yesterday and got deliberately hit off in first heat and dnf’d with no consequence to other driver, finnished 2nd heat finnished well, then in final got took off by accidend and again didn’t finnish. I see this all the time at kart racing so what racing do you watch? Again I understand why you want these lobbys but dontdon’t get stuck in the wrong opion of real real racing. This is not F1.
It’s unfortunate that the league your son is racing in does not enforce, or possibly does not have rules and I’m sorry he experienced that. However, your point is akin to “is peewee football” real football", “Is teeball real baseball”. An argument can be made for both sides of that question and both would have merit. Heck, there are people reading this right now who would argue Nascar is not real racing.
So, at lets assume we’re trying to race at the level of Nascar, F1, Indy, Cart, GT series etc and not Pop Warner football or local go-kart racing leagues. Do you really think any of those leagues would allow someone to use other cars as brakes on purpose? Or turn hard left to smash someone in the wall on purpose? Or drive across the infield to cut a corner without time penalties? No they would not. So, if we have no refs, no rules, and no repercussions, we want no crashes. And for us it will be as real as a crash-filled lobby is to you.
Those people who feel it’s not real racing do not have to ever go into the collisions-off lobbies. And it would have no effect on the people who enjoy the status quo.
The argument though is invalid IMHO because it’s like telling me I can’t have Big Mac without onions because “you” feel it’s not a Big Mac without onions and I should not be allowed to enjoy my burger without onions. What I’m eating shouldn’t affect you at all. Order what you like, I’d just like more options on my menu please. The “you” is in. quotes to show I’m not talking to anyone in specific, but to the general opposition at large. And lest anyone belabor the point, yes McDonalds will give you a Big Mac without onions.
I think they just need to institute a fuel penalty for anything that could be considered malicious driving. Go crashing, riding along a wall, or cutting a corner and something like third of a tank disappears. There’s enough gas to go 100 laps around almost any track so if someone makes a couple mistakes they’ll get to finish a race still. If you’re being a Richard, you’re not going to last. You just ghost and sit on the track. If they just do it anyway and quit the race they’re going to be hanging out a lot in the lobby.
There are many many things T10 could do to address the issue. 99% of them require coding changes, algorithms to interpret intent, testing and implementation. Being a developer myself I understand why that may prove difficult, especially the intent part, because accidents should be penalized less than those events with malice. That is exactly why I have made the request I’ve made. Because 100% of everything needed to create and supply collisions-off lobbies exists. There is literally no additional cost to T10. And they could do it temporarily until they come up with a real way to address the problem. Is my solution perfect? No. Absolutely not. But it has the benefit of being easy, fast, and free.
I would love real racing lobbies with damage on, penalties for infractions and good sportsmanship. I’ll accept the consequences for when I make a mistake and gain an unfair advantage or I accidently and negatively affect another player’s race. I have 0 issues with that. But in the meantime, I’d just like to make it around the track with all my body panels intact and not mangled from the idiots who absolutely do not care how their behavior affects others.
Sounds good to me. Wouldn’t mind the option to race no collisions and hotlap some cars in a more lively environment.
The bringing back of the time attack lobby from previous forzas would be cool too. I remember those lobbies being just as fun as standard lobbies when people were running close lap times.
The collision off lobbies would be great…in theory.
The realitty would be like this: The lobby is full of wallgrinders and shortcutters and there is noone who can stop them.
We need custom public lobbies back where the host can get rid of the dirty drivers.
Oh it was when the lobbies were full and people were trying to run cars that were comparable to each other. Nothing like having the fastest lap only for someone to squeeze by you with countdown timer down to a few seconds.
I saw that and it sucks. But, right now, you can only report/block.
I’ve played a good amount of races online and I just don’t see this type of player being the norm in my games. I think the big question that we need to have answered is why some players have such vastly different experiences online than other players.