Yeah I’ll play against them a lot when their doing this they all race super dirty and even when you beat them you’ll still lose because they’ll quit like that. Their garbage at the game though in my opinion
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Nah, main problem is not in players but in system. Making bad scoring system and ban all players which are using it on full potential is definitely not a great solution. I just can’t blame those players tbh.
Fortunately we have free-for-all ranked without this trash and only hope that the team ranked will be fixed in near future.
They just need to ban these players this is clearly abuse of the matchmaking ranked scoring system and hurting everyone they play against. I play this team multiple times a week and when I do get queued with them once I will be put against them usually 2 or 3 times in a row causing a lot of my hard work to be lost when I go down sometimes a whole league. And the matchmaking is so broken it’s not like I can be too picky about who I play with it’s either them or no one in most cases. So the devs can either cater to these players and let this go on or make an example of them and ban them for the good of the majority
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I say BAN them too. Those guys i’ve played against multiple times and they have multiple accounts to cheat the point system. The only thing you can really do is wait and around until they reach 5K and then go back to teams. Its a ridiculous approach but I dont wanna lose my points like that, I’m right at 4900
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imho,
For leavers, negative points should happen when leaving 2 CS same day, reset every day. This way anyone can have a bad internet connection, anyone can take a try, doesn’t work, better wait next day
Up to me the level going down should never exceed the number of points you gained previous CS. Loosing benefits of 1 CS is clearly not a big deal and if you already lose the previous one, you lose again same number of points. I am unsure a strategy could raise from that,like using little loss risk to kind of promote another player, you guys to say.
That said, biggest issue of ranked and reason why so few people play it is ramming. As long as ranked is not about racing thousands of players will keep away from it.
End of the day, I am perfectly aware I am wasting my time sharing thoughts here but, I guess, not much more that if I had spend the same time trying to play ranked …
The simplest solution is to not allow people to team up if difference between their ranks is let’s say ten (10) or more leagues. This way you wouldn’t have Grandmasters teaming up with league 20 drivers and lower their teams average score.
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This has been happening to me a lot lately with Team Games, I keep getting put against the same 6 players and keep getting thrashed, and my rank is being decimated. Now I don’t much care about the rank in this mode but the point is that you used to be able to have some really good close fun matches (more so than in unranked, often) but this team who are gaming the system are just spoiling it for everyone.
Two of them quit right before the end so they stay at a bad rank on purpose.
I hope PG are listening and will do something.
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Yep it kept happening to me. As a GM I lost like 40 points in 2 rooms and my buddy lost about 300 against those same guys in the same 2 rooms. I went back to FFA, try to get that one up to GM. I finished 2nd by 2 points yesterday and 15 points got taken. Ruined my day so I was done…too frustrating
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FH has some kind of rule to disregard level of players.
The loss of points is just out of control in ranked mode and so is the CS leaving strategy. This mode is just no fun to me.
My only advice, get some club, race with mates, you will have no intentional ramming, you will win and get congrats loose and give some.
They need to do queue only with the lowest level. So if you pull in a low level with you, you race low level so even if you win you get nothing at high level.
The other option I was thinking was having a server tracking where every dc/quit also earns you a modifier, and that modifier carries to others in your team. So if you are constantly quitting, then you have a penalty build up. So if you got two people with bad penalties in your convoy, then you get absolutely nothing if you win, but still get hit with the same losses. Those with the penalties need to pay it back before they can start earning points again. It also means that intentional quitting is no longer good because you will get the penalty indirectly. People gaming the system is why the points hits start getting so bad. Don’t do that and then it will balance out as you hit your ideal rank.
Essentially have it so if you quit or DC, you get a minor fine. But that continually builds and will get more severe over time.
If you are somebody prone to disconnect? Well… then might need to keep out of ranked if your connection isn’t stable, especially if it is hurting the experience of others.
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Sorry to hear, DaReoCharmer. The point structure for Ranked was not well thought out.
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The point system has been improved but its still not fair. You still lose alot and gain very little, it is what it is. Some days I’m in the mood to fight through it and get those points back right away but days like yesterday, didnt have the energy to keep going
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May be of interest, I just saw this about how another game treats players who abuse the quit function:
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I LOVE IT!!! 2 years might be a bit harsh BUT T10 definitely needs something like this to preserve ranked. I havent played in a few days and I really dont miss it. I love the game but I dont wanna be robbed of my rank.
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imho, just loosing the very point you earned the last time you won when quitting would be enough. Same for loosing a CS, loss should not exceed the number of points you won at the last CS you won.
Simple, does not hit hard when disconnected bcz of network or server issue, less frustration when you come to loose a cs …
If anyone sees some side effects some would use to cheat, I am interested to read it.
I have had it with the last racers quitting in a close race so their team can win. In ANY ranked racing, if someone quits, they should be listed as dnf in the last position and the opposing team given the points they deserved for beating them. This is happening more and more as of late. Does not surprise me to see 3 peeps quit to allow their team to win. It is totally unfair, and should be dealt with as I suggested. This is an exploit that should be addressed. The ones that quit should be heavily penalized rank points as well.
I stay until the end of the racing series even if I know my team is bound to lose. I know this is an arcade racing game, so the pushing and shoving off track is part of it, quitting for a team win is not. I certainly hope the dev’s change this exploit. I have lost at least as many (if not more) rank points, from this happening, as points fairly lost by being on random “not so hot” teams. I do not mind losing a fair race, it’s part of the game.
If ya quit, ya should be dnf in the VERY last positions!!!
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I absolutely agree. We’ve been discussing this on this forum and reddit for months now, but we’re yet to get any response from community manager(s)/developers.
The way things are right now, you’re essentially getting punished for something that’s completely out of your control. I don’t understand why they couldn’t apply this change only to Trials and leave it out of ranked team adventures, it only made things a whole lot worse for all those who just want normal and fair races.
Not to mention that people who drop to league 20 in order to boost their team mates are losing games on purpose and ruining adventures for at least five of their team mates and that should really not be allowed. But the fact that not a single “booster” got banned or Grandmaster stripped of their rewards after two months is really sad and goes to show that Turn10 just doesn’t care.
Fingers crossed that we get some news on this matter on Monday and hopefully some changes in the next update. I’ve had the same hopes two months ago and last month as well, but I’m not losing hope and I expect they’ll do the right thing and admit they screwed up and revert that scoring change because it’s not doing anything but allow people to abuse it. Besides, the number of people who are quitting ranked adventures is insane, if you could join ranked adventure in progress it would be exactly like unranked with people joining and leaving after every race. Way too often I’ll end the adventure with only five players even though we had all twelve at start of the first race. 
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I just stumbled upon the relevant article (https://support.forzamotorsport.net/hc/en-us/articles/360025519914-Ranked-Online-Scoring) and honestly, the part where he talks about having less players is dead wrong. The team with less players does have an advantage.
While you’re less likely to come first, you’re also less likely to come last. Not placing last is where it really matters and where the most “scoring weight” is placed. For example, in a 3 vs 6, a 3 team in the middle of the pack will have a higher average score as the 6 team will have a bunch of last place 0’s that drag their score down.
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I just made the big mistake of trying ranked playground games again. Straight away I could tell it was another bunch of cheaters and so it proved, but I had to endure the entire round so I wouldn’t get my rank destroyed. I still lost 43 points though. The people doing this should be given Xbox Live bans and then they’ll get the message it’s not acceptable.
So you’re doing ranked games? I do it once a month only and I run. I wont touch race teams for a while. I’ll stay around 4900 so I can get GM rewards. I’m kind of trying to get up there in FFA but the jumps in cross country are making me quit. Once you get stuck in the earth, its like missing 2 checkpoints. I dont understand how this issue came up to 9 months after release. Anytime in those first 9 months it never happened