Monza was a bad choice.
It’s all the same. Race conditions, qualifying and hotlapping. In all three cases it’s about getting around the track as fast as possible. The same rules should apply in all cases. Why don’t you take part in a TORA race and try following the same lines during qualifying? You will be DQ’d before you checked your lap times. Hotlapping isn’t a parallel universe. The same rules should be applied…
Forza Motorsport had always their issues with the penalty system, and as long as it is a clean lap, even real racedrivers would take that advantage. There is no doubt. Therefor is nobody to blame who does, and nobody who doesn’t. Most issues with game, it gets compared to the real world. Cars getting upgraded to a point, no one would drive just because the fear of the own life. So, don’t come with rules from things like TORA. Hotlapping in forza was always trying to get the best build/tune which fits your drivestyle and take the fastest legal line on track. On the other hand, if you can beat someone who is 1second or more in front your time on a track with “cutting”, try to beat his time on another track without cuts There are tracks in the game where no cutting is going on. If its then the opposite, you have and glue where you could be on that track with “cutting”. Take this as your personal win.
Why can’t I bring up TORA as a reference? Maybe because it would prove your argumentation wrong? TORA is a reference of serious racing. They wouldn’t accept those lines, neither in qualifying, nor in a race. An e-sport event IS a serious event, hence same rules should apply, and on the ESL page you can find the following:
3.1.5. Track behaviour
As the ForzaRC is a serious racing championship, on track behaviour has to be in line with the sportsman-like behaviour and appropriate clean racing. Therefore we will punish following behaviour but not only limited to:
Purposely crashing and corner-cutting, vulgarity in game chat, attempting to cause disruptions to your own benefit in online lobbies, etc.
2 wheels have to remain in between the white lines defining the track. Curbs are NOT part of the track, so 2 wheels have to be on the tarmac at every time. This does not apply to situations in which it happens occasionally but as soon as this is your racing line or you get a advantage with doing it, it can be penalized.
You are allowed to block a line in front of a corner once, plus getting back to your racing line. Zigzag style is not allowed.
That behaviour can lead to disqualification or other penalties, depending on the situation.
In a qualifying round like the Monza rivals exactly the same rules should be applied. Hotlapping isn’t another galaxy, it’s the same planet.
You’re mixing up things. I’m not comparing game features to real life, but race conditions and rules, and I think it’s not the worst idea to keep it as real as possible.
And the rules were used in the 1vs1. I don’t have a problem with this, but players complaing about a hotlapping sessions were no ESL, TORA or whatever is included…pointless. If Turn10 would have it messed up with their penaltysystem still the same guys would be on top.
We accept this. That’s not the point. But this week is over so it is what it is.
Good luck.
I wasn’t expecting you to suddenly have the same opinion tbh. You’ve made your point. Hotlapping qualifiers for an ESL event have different rules. Sometimes curbs are clearly part of the track and sometimes not.
I’ll step in and say that I agree with you! These top guys are here to defend and deflect. At what point does the community police itself? At what point does the community stop being hypocritical? Cutting the track is cutting the track. Period.
We signal to the whole community that anything goes.
I get why people are defending the players. I truly do. But I don’t want to ever see these guys complain about Yaz Marina or LeMans ever again…
Also the track limits were NOT clearly defined as in the real world examples at COTA and Hockenheim. We did NOT know that these track limits were going to be allowed until Wednesday. What’s fairness in that?
Now I know the 3 letter gamer tag guys are not going to allow slower drivers to take their spotag the championship because turn 10 screwed up. Why should they? That’s the rub. I guess I should start practicing illegal lines also.
( Edit: besides I feel there is a false equivalency between cutting corners and extending the track. Both are offensive. However, the sausage kerbs in the Monza chicanes show that this shouldn’t be part of the track. Tarmac run offs are there for a reason. So are the kerbs.)
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