I’ve come to terms with the fact that I’m going to get wrecked at least once if not multiple times per race. The thing that sucks though is that regardless of how I get wrecked it almost always leaves me in dead last place with little to no chance to catch anyone who has made it through this mess. So, my question is, how do you deal with this and stay competitive? When I get wrecked/spun it seems to take FOREVER to get back on the track for one. When you spin, how best to get out of it? Are you braking/accelerating/steering through the spin or letting in come to a stop. After you stop and you are either in a wall or facing the wrong way, or in the sand (or a combination of these) how do you quickly recover?
I’m trying to stay out of the way on the first few turns and let the dumb happen around me and that has worked a little but later in the race I still get wrecked at some point. I love playing this game but these things are just maddening!!
Again, I know it’s going to happen so I’m not bitching about the game. Part of it can probably be countered with some skill on my end. It’s just that I don’t know what that is yet. Any advice on this would be great!
Just drive defensively and always be on the lookout for someone barreling hard into a turn. Also, if all else fails wreck them before they wreck you.
A good tune never hurts as well. Usually the faster people, towards the front tend to be cleaner so having a competitive car and a good set of skills can really help.
This suggestion is NEVER acceptable. That only creates more bad feelings, and you can be banned as a crasher. There are more worthy suggestions in this thread than being part of, and escalating, the problem.
TBH he could’ve phrased that better… I think he meant if they’re obviously already trying to spin you out/wreck you, THEN you can make an effort to end it before it starts. I still don’t welcome that technique because it has such a grey area as to what justifies retaliation, but I’ve done it myself before when it was obvious someone was trying to wreck me…
tune your cars for acceleration so its easier to catch back up. you are probably useing a pure grip tune, maybe by worm. look at the leaderboards and see what the top car is for the class/track and download a tune, run it ten laps in rivals, get another tune and try it, and keep doing that until you find the fastest tune/lowest lap times, you can run clean laps with. or do your own tunes. yes grip is faster in the corners, but if you get passed on the straight the slower car is still in front in the corner slowing you down and next come another straight where he ate your lunch even when you were in front. you can forget about catching him.
it dosn’t sound like people are wrecking you on purpose, it sounds like you are getting stuck in the back where they drag race from corner to corner where they wreck then drag to the next corner. if thats the case atleast one of you is going into the corner way to fast. slow down and get out of his way before the corner, let him wreck by himself and you pass him as he flys off the track and sloggs his way back. you should be able to get enough of a lead he’s not going to catch back up. he’ll press harder and fly off the track even more. as long as you keep it on the track you should finish in the top half of a public lobby just by passing people off track. and keep your passes to the straights. you never know how another car is going to take the corner but on the straights you can predict where they are going and safely go around them even off line without losing time.
run every assist on for a few races. yes its gonna be alot slower, but you’ll be suprised how high you finish. winning isn’t about the highest top speed, its about consistancy and keeping it on track, staying clean. if you know somebody is gonna wreck get out of their way and let them even if it means slowing down for a second when you have the right of way, its going to be faster than wrecking.
another thing to try is to get a car rated very highly in the launch and passing most of the cars at the starting line. maybe you can get ahead and stay ahead letting them wreck behind you. but dont make their mistake and go into the corner faster than you, your car, and your tune can handle. take the corner as tight as you can to the inside so they see theres not enough room to squeeze thru and hopefully try to pass on the outside.
If I am midway or further back in the pack, I use the fallback method and it pays off more times than not. I can either lose a couple of few seconds navigating through the carnage ahead of me or, potentially, spend nearly half a minute getting tossed around, driving through the sticky grass and trying to make my way back onto the track. Choosing the former usually means I can gain momentum quicker, the crash-happy folks are too far behind to catch up and I can witness who the culprits are in for awareness in future races. I understand it doesn’t seem feasible for everyone with such short races, but if it means I can consistently be at the top of the pack each race, I’ll take it.
Find people to set up a private lobby. Many many many people complain about how multiplayer is ridiculous due to the wreckers, so im certain you will be able to get enough people together.
i have completely given up on hoppers now - but now enjoy the game more due to the quality of racing found in private lobbies.
more laps, better races, better raceRs, choice of class, choice of track, more enjoyment
I’m trying to go through and use all of the above advice. First off though, I’m not seeing all of the cars I want to use in the leaderboards. For the most part it looks like everyone uses the Ferrari Indy Car for R class but you can’t use it in MP…
Also, I want to know what the adjustments are. Just grabbing a tune that I can’t see seems kind of cheap to me, and I’d like to be able to look at and learn from a tuning overall.
Lastly, I think my driving is terrible (I actually think sometimes I’m doing ok, but then…)
Any pointers on how to get better at the driving aspect?? Just basic stuff for now. Stuff that you wish someone had told you early on.
r class grab the saleen for the speed tracks like lemans and road america. get a '08 dodge viper and tune it to r class. the austin martin #09 is also pretty good. there are two ways to learn to drive better. both will require a good tune. cheap or not you need to see what a car can do to have an idea of if your tune is good or not. for r class grab the tunes by tg takumi or something like that. they are fast.
start with every assist on and run rivals. go as fast as you can. when you start running every lap clean and have almost the same time turn one of the assists off. one you can run every lap clean and consistent again turn another assist off. keep doing it until you can run with no assists.
turn every assist off start slow, really slow. top out at 50 mph or something. then next lap try to go 1 mph faster or shave half a second off your lap time. yes its still going to be very slow. but you are training your subconscious to do the driving for you. keep going 1 mph faster per lap, saving a little off the lap times. by barely increasing speed you have time to learn where to start braking, where you can get back on the gas, the fastest line to take, where to shift etc and the changes are very little you you can easily make the mental adjustments. you learn the trickiest parts of the track 1st since they will be the 1st problem areas you encounter. you’ll work out mentally how to do them and as you keep increasing speed the next hardest corner will start being a problem so you’ll fix that next until you have every corner down.
once you are fast on the track alone in rivals go to free play and start racing against easy drivatars. give yourself about 10 or 15 laps or more and practice the track in traffic. when you can win every time race against harder drivatars. one you can beat them on unbeatable you will be winning most of the time online. and you’ll get a feel for what the car should be capable of, what it should feel like. when you start tuneing your own you’ll know where you should have more grip, where you should have more acceleration, etc…you’ll know what to aim for. and try to stay relaxed. if you are new it’ll sound like i am lying but your fastest times, you best races, are going to seem like your easiest not your hardest. they’ll happen when you are relaxed and your subconscious takes over. you wont be thinking just about the next turn, you’ll be not only getting thru that corner the fastest but how to come out of it on a line that is going to get you thru the next corner the fastest also. you’ll be driving corners ahead without even realizing it. you’ll know where to pass other cars, when you can out brake them and pass them before the corner and when its better to pass them after the corner. when they are fast enough to wait a few corners. the more you drive the better you are going to get. new drivers biggest problem is they dont give themselves or their subconscious time to learn, they go into the corner way to fast taking themselves off line then scramble trying to save it often over correct and making the problem worse. they panic, then they get frustrated and thats not a good learning situation. thats why consistancy is the most important thing, it keeps you relaxed, you know what to expect, there are no suprises. you wont even be dealing with the crashers after the 1st turn until you are lapping them. winning the race is going to seem alot easier than finishing next to last. just give yourself time to learn, start slow and learn one thing at a time either way.
you should friend lou. he started as a total noob a few months ago and got pretty good fairly quickly. Lou3824. he’s also gotten pretty good at tuneing and could help you there. http://forums.forza.net/turn10_profile361844.aspx since he went thru the learning curve himself recently he knows exactly what you are going thru, he just went thru it himself. he never played forza until fm5 and is already top 100 in the leaderboards. he was practicing a track and slowly getting better but he was trying as hard as he could every time. finally he messed up turn 1 by over 1/2 a second. he knew he wasn’t going to have a good lap, he was struggleing to make up 100ths of a second so he was just trying to get to the next lap to try again. he stopped pressing too much, he relaxed. and he was surprised his “wasted” lap was his new record by over 3 full seconds. and it was far easier than any of the laps he was giving it 110%.
Try racing in the ABC’S lobbies, where you randomly get assigned to one of those classes (A, B, C, or S), and then will pick a car in the class, and normally be one of 1-3 players in that particular class. Since each class is released from the grid every 5 seconds, you’ll have less congestion in the turns, and also learn to overtake slower traffic, and hopefully have a lot of fun.
There’s not a lot of wrecking–if any–in these lobbies from my experience, maybe partly because everyone knows that a some point they’ll have the slower class car, and they can’t stay away from whoever they might’ve wrecked intentionally.
The communication also seems better in these multi-class hoppers, which is always a good thing.
never drive beside other cars in corners and watch your mirrors. stay out of other peoples braking lines if they are behind you. if you can pass but it may get messy then don’t pass. wait for a clear shot instead of a close call. you’ll soon improve from last to third last. i find there are always 2 or 3 people that will crash and be way back in the pack. let them crash and then you’ll have some clean air to race the clean racers. but you have to stay clean also.
Keep it clean and usually you’ll finish towards the top. However, if you’re driving ability is lacking, it will be tough to pull away from those who don’t care much for clean racing. Watching your mirrors and quickly looking around your car does help but is the difficult at times. Sometimes its best to take a corner wide if you think someone is there or will be there.
Eventually you’ll learn to predict others moves and successfully adjust and defend. Just gonna take a few thousand races. Lol.
See the Tuning section of forums for open source tunes. Should help a lot.
You may want to drop to some lower classes first if you have driving concerns. R class isn’t always the best place to learn how to drive.
The best advice that was given to me when I first started playing the game was to just focus on learning the tracks. IMO, rivals is the best way to do that. Take a step back from online racing for a bit and just work on your skills overall. You’re falling behind because you haven’t learned the game yet more than anything else. You can’t just jump into multiplayer and expect to do well as a beginner. Learn the tracks. I don’t mean just learn them some, I mean get to know them thoroughly. Learn what gear to be in through all the turns, when to get back on the throttle, what curbs to avoid and what ones to ride over, etc. Watch lots of replays of the better drivers. Take notice of how they run the tracks. Run against their ghosts in rivals and try to copy what they do. Lobby racing is a different skillset than rivals, but you’re not going to develop lobby racing skills without knowing how to run the tracks properly first, IMO.
Then there’s tuning. I was dreadful at this game until I discovered tuning. I was driving cars stock and getting so frustrated that I nearly quit playing the game entirely. By far and away, the single biggest thing that led to me being competitive was Foot’s open source thread. Go to the tuners lounge and look up Foot’s thread on open source tunes. Build a few of them. They may not be the best tunes, but they are all very good and some are excellent. Use those tunes to experiment with which cars work best for you. Just because someone else is able to tear up a lobby in a Camaro doesn’t mean you will be able to. You may be able to beat that same Camaro rather easily in a Mini or Mugen though. Try as many cars out as you can. Then once you get used to the cars, try altering the tunes/builds to your style and/or the tracks that you want to run on. I built a bunch of Foot’s cars to get started and it taught me what works and what doesn’t in the game. Once I got an idea of where to start, I started doing my own tunes and the improvement kept coming in my driving. Tuning and driving skill have been very much linked for me. You don’t need to learn how to tune if you don’t want to, but you do have to get good tunes from somewhere. Fortunately, there are lots and lots of them available. I think the open source tunes are the best because you can change brake settings and diff settings to suit your driving. Just downloading them from the game doesn’t allow that and it can be frustrating.
Get yourself a few cars that you are comfortable in and run lots of rivals. Don’t just run the laps though, make sure they are clean. There is no benefit in the long run to cutting corners and such. Pay attention to the dirty lap indicator and keep running laps until it doesn’t come on anymore. Pick a class and do that for every track. Then go back to the lobbies and you won’t finish last as often. Might even win some… Then start making friends with other drivers that are clean and better than you. Racing against them in private lobbies will make you improve very quickly. Feel free to add me in the game and join us some night in one of our private lobbies (everyone is always welcome). We’re all laid back and have very different skill levels. The only thing we ask is that you drive cleanly. Don’t be like GRD and cut corners on Yas (just kidding GRD).
I’d say like the guy two posts above drop down a few classes where nudges are easier to control and are less ruinous to your race. Beginner c class is alright or just the c class lobby. I’d highly recommend those.
I’d only recommend rivals mode if you’re really serious and what to squeeze every second off your lap times in the lobby.
Don’t forget it’s a game, it should be fun stick to c class try out a variety of cars and tunes…
If you’re in a Dodgems lobby use 4wd, they are easy to control when nudged.
Like you, I fully expect to get wrecked (intentionally/accidentally).
The above quote extracted from your full post is the part that interests me most. Of course we can all avoid getting wrecked by getting better, whether that means driving faster, getting better tunes, or whatever.
But, what do you do when you do get wrecked? What can you do to try to get your car back under control?
As the OP asks, “Are you braking/accelerating/steering through the spin…”
Does anybody have any advice on that specifically? Because I have similar problems as Flavaham. When I get spun, I always tend to end up facing the wrong way, while I see others recover very quickly. I’ve tried to practice recovering on my own (single player mode), but I haven’t made a lot of progress. I’ve been trying to get better at racing, and one of the most challenging aspects of this has been learning how to get better at crashing.
Should we turn into the spin? Or apply opposite lock? Throttle or no throttle? Brakes or no brakes? Can the clutch help out somehow?
I realize there are many, many different types of wrecks, but a spin seems to be a spin. I say this partly because of the consistency of the results (as I said, I tend to end up facing the wrong way, spinning more than other drivers, etc.).
There must be some standard principles that can help us reduce the severity of spinning out.
I usually aim for a wall if im getting wrecked for 2 reasons.
First its to get the car to stop spinning so i can get control of it faster.
Second it slows me down faster instead of being out of control for 300ft i can get it back under control in 100ft. Yes i dont like hitting walls but i also dont like getting wrecked so i will take the lesser of two evils.
Now if there are no walls to assist then its more about luck than anything else. There isnt a sure fire way to help you steer, brake, or gas out of a wreck. Just down shift into second most of the time and hope your your button mashing points you in the right direction lol
I have a video saved on my profile of me spinning out on the last corner on spa, correcting it and barely getting the win. Its a basic spin, but look at what I do with the throttle. Note that this G37 has cams and is swirly in the rear.
Thanks for the responses everyone! I’m going to spend more time in Rivals mode and see what kind of results I get but so far, here’s what happened: I dropped all the way down to D class. Got a car and got on rivals. I ran laps until I was within 0:300 of my best lap time consistently. I jumped on the track in MP and tried to run clean and remember the above advice. The first race I placed 5th, avoiding a wreck early and finally finding space by myself to simply run the track. Problem ended up being that I couldn’t match the top guys for speed at all. I ran a few more races and found pretty much the same thing. This is where grabbing random tunes isn’t helping me. I know I need more acceleration but I don’t know how to achieve that. I don’t know what parts people are buying to get to the top of the class and I don’t know what to change to get better acceleration, top speed, handling, etc. I’ve had a few people offer what seems like good advice and I plan to spend some time in the Tune section of this forum. Hopefully that will help.
Anyhow, as the above post says, I’d love to see if anyone has some tips for what to do after the inevitable wreck to get back on track.
Thanks again guys!! Digging this forum! One of the better I’ve been a part of in that people are actually helpful and don’t give the obligatory “Stop Sucking!” for an answer! =D
Without knowing the car you are driving, there is a very good chance that more acceleration is precisely what you DON’T need. A lot of people make fun of grip tunes, but they can be the most dominant cars in the game. Especially D class. The majority of Minis are 5.6 or 5.7 in handling. They have very very low top speed (I think mine is only 4.2 and it destroys the muscle cars on most tracks), but they completely dominate the class. Focus more on your lines, corner entry and corner exit. The key is to always be in control of the car. I’ve got 22 top 100 times driving grip tunes in D class, so power is not everything. I’m far from alone too. Just look at the leaderboards, its dominated by grip tunes not high HP cars in D class. A perfect example is a guy named oo 3x oo. He drives a Mini on almost every track. Just try and beat him… good luck with that. I used to make the same mistake when I first started playing. Momentum often means a whole lot more than acceleration will. In D class, it usually does. When I race in D class lobbies, I get people mad at me because I often will dominate the lobby with my Mini. I frequently will wait at the finish line for about 20 seconds so the timer doesn’t run out on all the muscle cars that are still sliding around the track. I watch all the guys with their muscle cars that are loaded to the gills with HP and all they do is slide around every corner. They don’t get to use all that power efficiently because they take too long to stop going into the corner, lose most of their speed when they slide mid corner, and then usually have the back end kick sideways again on corner exit. While they are blocking the whole track up with their sliding and causing wrecks, I sneak around them and win easily. Some tracks do call for more power, but most call for simply better technique. Your technique will improve ten times faster in a grip tune than it will in a high HP car. With the exception of tracks like the long LeMans courses, handling rules D class. Some of the best drivers out there can handle the high HP cars in D class and do quite well with them on tracks like Spa and Road America, but they are few and far between. Minis, Mugens, Celicas, Kias (yes, I said Kias), Mazda Miatas, Lotus Elans (I’m sure I left some out), all fare better the majority of the time in D class. Once you get to C class and you have more room with the PI to add some grip to your tune, then things start to change a little bit. Grip tunes are still pretty dominant there with the Mugens and Civics, etc. too.
I can’t comment on how to get back on track after you are wrecked because every situation is different. That’s a matter of just having better driving skills as a whole and letting instincts take over. At least for me it is. Having a grip tune will help you avoid a lot more wrecks to begin with. A Camaro with 4.2 handling doesn’t take much to get it to spin wildly out of control.