Time for some Honda Love, with one of my all time favourite models from the company.
Hotly happened to see me tuning this today , and made the mistake of asking if I wanted someone to test, as I was trying to get it into
The top 100 on Road Atlanta Club.
I was sitting on a 1:00.626 at #110
Well I took him up on his generous offer and shared the tune and within several minutes I was at #111 and I Holty I was at # 76 with
A 1:00.346. The only CRX in the top 100
Big thanks I Holty I. !
As you will see below I went with a very low Dif setting , the car does feel much nicer with a value of 76% but I just couldn’t get the time out of it.
Please adjust to suit your taste.
I will keep tweaking on this one myself, and am curious how it will do at some other tracks as I have not run it else where yet.
File is on my share front if you don’t want to input all the settings .
Nice tune Fade, I picked this car up off your share front after feebly trying a terrible AWD version out of fun. It took me a race to get used to it’s tendencies but after that it was awesome. It has really great peppiness in that it really accelerates well and handles great. I ran it several tracks including Alps and it did really well. Again, nice job!
Awesome tune! I agree the higher diff settings are more comfortable, but the lower settings are faster. I had my FFB up to 85 I think, this thing is a workout! Thanks for sharing!
Thanks for the feedback and posting back folks, it is very much appreciated, happy to see some success with this one. It can be a bit twitchy as SC noted , but as Clay said once you get used to its
tendencies , a lot of fun.
I never got round to trying an RWD swap or AWD , but did do some engine swaps and for once found the CSC build not as fast. I just concentrated on getting weight out of it and keeping
it naturally aspirated . I kinda like that I have preserved it’s FWD and natural engine.
Thanks Fade, great build/tune! Tried Road Atlanta, and, also took it for a spin at Prague Short Reverse and got my best time there. Now, I must clarify that I am new to gaming, thus, somewhat still learning controls and everything. I did race at Pro level to check it out. I jumped over 60k spots, yet far from LB’s of course. (At 1:13.609, LB #1 is at 0:59.142)
On most of the tunes/builds that I purchase I see myself at about a 15 to 20 sec’s off the LB space. How much of a disadvantage (per your experience) does a newbie have in time using the identical build/tune as some of the LB players?
Just for my learning, and not to just use builds/tunes…. would you mind sharing your thinking about pulling together the tune? How & Why did you decide on the various settings. I am trying to pull together several tunes on my own and still going up the learning curve. It’s been somewhat of a challenge. I have read a lot, yet, it seem there is still a lot of “gut feel” that needs to be implemented to get a good tune.
My approach to a tune is that the build is the most important part , in this case I wanted to see if this car could be competitive in B-class as I didn’t have much FWD in my collection
that was B Class. I also felt there was already a fair number of C-class tunes kicking around, so why not try something different.
Next is to decide what type of track you want to tune for.
Are you wanting a long track , speed type car or a grip short track, or something that can be an all rounder.
The build is determined by the above.
In this case the build approach was shorter track grip, acceleration.
First off take the car you want to tune for a spin in a stock configuration, see how it feels , and what it’s strengths or shortcomings are in it’s native state.
Once that is complete,
I start by taking as much weight out of the car I can and installing as much race performance and handling parts, so I can tune the suspension etc.
Then I add as much grip as I can with tires and tire width, and aero, finally I add HP, but I start with parts that not only add HP but take weight away as well.
Exhaust, Pistons, Air Filter, etc.
Next up is to go and apply a base tune to the build. I typically start by loosing 100lbs from the springs overall, and lowering the bump to about 2.5 or 3.
I lower the suspension as well to as low as possible, everything else I leave until I run a couple of laps. Typically try to get hot tire pressure to about 33lbs by
watching the telemetry as I run a few laps. What I’m looking to do is to get a comfortable base tune, so this requires a large number of laps to adjust for
under or over steer, braking , ride height.
Once I have something that is reasonably comfortable I start to look at the build, is the car faster with a larger rim size? Well adjust the build
and run it again for several laps. Is the build faster with narrower tires and more HP, adjust build and run it for several laps, is the build faster
with a roll cage, well rebuild and run it…and on and on and on it goes, sometimes for several days.
I try not to adjust the tune, unless the parts I’m putting on are adding massive amounts of weight or taking massive amounts away,
then you have to adjust the baseline.
Once I have a build that I feel is ideal I start to fine tune it. I tune completely by feel, but I tend to only work on one setting at a time.
If you change multiple settings at the same time it becomes very difficult to determine if you changes to the springs for instance helped or if it was
the change you made to the ARB or was it the change you made to the diff.
How I arrive at settings is mostly as I say by feel, is does the car feel like it is on ice–maybe I have too much ARB’s, or maybe
I have my springs too high. Car having issues getting the power down, could be the diff, or again it could be the springs.
I would encourage you when starting to make large changes to the setting you are working on so you can feel the effect your
change made on the cars performance.
I must say that you need to tune to what feels best for your driving style, if the car feels better to you, despite how crazy the setting is , and you are getting better
lap times then you are moving forward, I guess what i’m trying to say and not too well is that if you are more confident in the car and how it feels you will put up better lap times.
No tune can suit every driver, that is why I like to open source these days, it allows folks to adjust to what suits them.
So yes a lot of “gut feel” and learned experience since Forza 2 .
Build and drive and rebuild and drive and rebuild and drive, put the car down for a few days and then come back to it, try it in a different class,
sometimes no matter what you do the car will be a turd for you with regards to times,.
It is good idea as well to get out of the car for a bit as you can learn to drive around problems that exist with the tune or build.
As for times, myself I tend to be anywhere from 4 to 10 seconds a lap slower than the top drivers sometimes.
I’m an average driver, who can sometime get a top 100 or a top 50, in another few months it will become tougher
for me to get a top 50 or top 100 as the leaderboards fill up.
I do strongly suggest you read Worm’s tuning guide at the top of this forum as well, and check out gtFOOTs open source thread and the PTG tuning
thread too, heck there are so many good resources on these forums, try to read as many as you can.
I don’t know if this was of any help to you , but feel free to ask any more questions and I will try to answer …
I have read through Worm’s document and several others on tuning. I’ve checked out many open source builds/tunes, and, watched many videos witch has helped a ton. You are correct, many great resources available and folks willing to help which is awesome for us newbies. I have checked gtFOOT’s and PTG builds and have used several of these.
Thank you so much for your insights. I really do appreciate you taking the time to reply and go into such detail. As I looked at the initial build and purchased the car to use your build I could tell it was being set up differently than what I had been seeing in many YouTube videos. Your explanation helps a ton. You gave me some really good tips on the build portion of the process. I know I have already made several mistakes on my builds and had to reset and rethink what I really wanted out of the car.
My biggest issues have been with the tuning aspects. Especially going from an understeer to a complete oversteer/drifting situation. And, the car (weight., class, etc…) can/will have an impact on what (and how much) to change on the tune. However, I am getting to a point with a couple of cars that I feel very comfortable with, yet, need to figure out how to use such to then incorporate in other tunes for different cars/classes. It’s great for folks like you to share your experiences since you have been at it for awhile.
If I shared a couple of builds/tunes, would you mind providing some feedback? I do not want the answers, yet, insights on which directions to head (or starting points). Thanks!
Hi Fade, tried your tune. I like it. For my taste a bit too much understeer in fast corners. So I am fairly new to FM5 switched from FM4 about 2 weeks ago. I am trying out every tune I can to find something suiting my driving style. I am not a tuner only a driver. Just figuring out if FWD or RWD suits my needs.
