Hi again
The community is getting annoyed with this dirty air affecting cars in front
What it affects
Car handing
Understeer slow corners
Grip levels
Generally your better off being 2nd place for most races please disable this
Let the slipstream do its thing
Manyy thanks
Can you provide more evidence than a few half lines of text?
Video footage, analysis etc.
It was a big debating point about 6 or 7 months ago and seemingly fixed.
I believe itâs a baked in function of the game which forza believes itâs a realistic
When your first in a group in close quarters at pace you just worse off
Turn 10 wonât change it unless you have irrefutable evidence though, plus it may be by design.
plus it may be by design.
Thatâs my point
1 hour 6 mins 30sec my battle with mrjenks watch what happens after the pit when heâs not within one sec
This is just one experience Iâve had itâs worse in faster cars
This by far not evidence by if you play the game alot you should see it
Some great coverage by Esv Green
Yes it is really annoying. I think the community calls it âforza washâ and it was reduced because of many complaints. That is the last info I have.
It is really frustrating to race like this I think the effect is just poorly done and not well simulated. It feels like a stat debuff you get for a brief moment.
It is also very noticable as the car behind which is fine because dirty air exists for the car behind, it is just overdone in my opinion. I often take that effect into consideration, brake slightly earlier and harder and my car will still almost run off track although I took that corner 10 times during practice.
I wouldnât be surprised if this dirty air causes many of the crashes which are so typical for this game.
Itâs makes the game horrible to play
Iâd understand the car behind having it but not the car in front
Iâve noticed that too. A loop in which the one behind has a better pace until he overtakes.
The Aerowash strat we didnât ask for.
Many thanks
Yes, Aerowash still exists. Not to the extent that it did before where you was getting spun out when people were behind you, but it is a still having too much of an affect on the racing and artificially rubber bands you to someone unless youâre either lucky enough to break draft or just multiple sec per lap quicker.
âDirty airâ as it should exist, doesnât in FM. It should be extremely noticeable when following driving a high downforce car like a GTP. But thereâs no understeer for the following car.
The higher aero the car youâre driving the worse aerowash is. Iâve historically over the past 3 FM games been one of the quickest Prototype drivers in the game, Right now the state of driving for example the new Porsche 963 hypercar in a race with someone within 0.8s(slipstream range) I would say I lose on average around 0.6-1s from my unobstructed aerowash free pace. The pace loss manifests itself in 2 very clear ways, though there are probably more unknown factors too.
When someone is within 0.8s or roughly 150ft or closer to your car you lose rear downforce and the car balance shifts overwhelming to oversteer, especially in high speed corners.
Braking distances are longer for the lead car. You could say this is actually a consequence of having less aero caused by point 1 above. But I can quite reliably alone hit the same braking marker over and over again. Yet as soon as someone is in slipstream it feels impossible to slow down in time if you brake at the same spot. This is part of an unwanted positive feedback loop, keeping the slow driver behind stuck to the back of your car sapping you of more grip, causing artificial racing with people who arenât really on your pace.
On the whole, itâs extremely frustrating to race at the top level where everyone is super consistent and within a few tenths. It is so much easier to just sit in 2nd and let the guy in front do all work for you. It makes the league racing more a of a lottery than an actual race.
I would love if the devs commented on this. I know it was in the game at launch, seemingly a bug, and was subsequently addressed.
Iâm paraphrasing here, the patch notes for that update said something along the lines of ârebalanced the aero effect of slipstreamingâ not that it had been fixed or removed entirely. A lot of players arenât skilled enough/consistent enough to notice the effect. However at the top level of the game itâs abundantly clear itâs still detrimental to fair and realistic racing.
Huh, interesting. Why do you think itâs in the game? Incidence of their physics system or trying to artificially increase the closeness of competition?
Also Iâm surprised there is no dirty air effect in the game but I guess it makes sense since fluid dynamics is by far the hardest part of physics to simulate.
I honestly think itâs recycled code from previous games. I trace it back to the FM6 NASCAR update where the drafting physics changed dramatically. This reverse dirty air was introduced along with a push mechanic for the car in front. The lead car used to gain speed on the straight too if someone was in the slipstream through FM6 and all of FM7. For this game they removed the âpush draftâ and the slipstream is extremely powerful now. That also meant that the aerowash or reverse dirty air was more noticeable. Then again the cynical part of me thinks it was added in to âcreateâ excitement. But all it really does is hinder the experience.
Recycled code makes the most sense to me. It mustâve just been missed for launch then they did everything they could to lessen the effect in the update but clearly itâs still present. Hopefully T10 acknowledge itâs a bug at the least.