500 ForzaVista but some cars you can’t open the hood, some cars don’t open the rear doors, some cars were modeled (inaccurately) by hand instead of laser scanned, some cars have wrong details, bugs in upgrade parts, missing upgrades…
I mean, in FH5 a cactus is more lifelike than a Silvia S15. Imagine if the same happened in Red Dead Redemption 2, an oak tree in more detail than a Thoroughbred horse.
Forza is “incomparable”, yes, if your reference is NFS which is a very unrefined game. Against other, proper open world games like The Witcher, Red Dead Redemption, Batman Arkham Knight, Spider-Man, Zelda, Shadow of War (post MTX removal), Tomb Raider and even games from Ubisoft like Assassin’s Creed Valhalla and Far Cry, Forza Horizon loses badly. GTA embarrasses Forza, makes it feel like discount GTA and that’s a game from 2013!
Heck, it loses badly to NFS in customization. Too bad physics of NFS is trash. Swap physics between games, see which one people play. I assure you: not Forza.
Speaking of Gran Turismo, I’ve played GTS and, except for content and difference in tracks, it absolutely humiliates FM7 in every respect. It’s almost insulting to compare the refinement of Gran Turismo with the mess that was FM7, lol. GT7 is basically a refresh of that game so it will be really good. New FM needs to show they care about quality to win me over once more.
My belief is that unless Turn 10 gets new people running the studio, nothing will change. Because the people currently running it don’t get it. We’ll see if I’m wrong but I doubt it, and the same goes for Playground Games and Horizon.
I’m looking forward to GT7’s release in a few months, one of the pluses from the pandemic and chip shortage is that it will run on my PS4 and I expect it will be a much more polished and professional game than Forza games are.
Any good will this company has built up from me is gone. Its unacceptable to have a game still broken 2 weeks after launch. I will never give them my money again. Pathetic excuse for a launch.
The way they left fh4 made me realize 5 was not going to be better in any way, shape or form, so this time I saved my money and didn’t purchase the game. I have game pass so I can test drive games before I buy them. Along with leftover bugs from fh4, every day brings new and interesting species to fh5 because it’s built on the broken foundation of fh4.
I will admit, I like the stories more in fh5 than fh4, but that’s about all I can say I enjoy about the game. If I’m not working through a story I’m knocking out speed traps and zones. Completed all the speed traps last night and just got dirt speed zones to conquer, after that, I’m probably done with the game completely. I said I liked the stories, and that is true, but some parts of them are broken. Can’t complete El Camino because photographing the stau UK Tues does not count. I had to run parts of the Nocho story a couple times because the jump never counted.
Yeah, I’m not paying them to beta test their game.
You are never going to see a “polished” version of this game. Of course they are going to fix many bugs, but not even half of them.
FH4 ended its life with many many many bugs still unfixed, many events broken, if not useless, terrible design choices… this is what it is forza horizon and videogaming these days.
People need to get used to it.
I never understood that comeback, let’s see you do it better. Are you implying that the only person who can critique something is one who is an expert on it and can do it better? does that apply to sports, real world driving, making movies, etc also?
I like video games, this game clearly has a lot of bugs is issues that need fixed, I am no developer or game artist but I can see where things are buggy or appear incorrect so I’m going to make note of it and make a ticket, twitter comment, and forum post in hope that it gets resolved by people who are able to, and supposed to, fix the game problems.
It does NOBODY any good to say “this is the best game ever you’re just wrong if you don’t like it because I really like this game”, or the inverse, “I think this game sucks so no one should enjoy it”
bottom line, can PGG, T10, Microsoft, whomever, please just make the game more stable fix some of the more obvious car model inaccuracies and accolade/playlist bugs, soon, please
No other game is near this beast. Can you do it better? Great, you are among best talents in the world.
When somebody makes anything similar, you can critize like George. Check PD with their broken Gran Turismo for years. They are not able to create proper game for years. It’s maybe not that easy, right? It’s maybe not just copy H4 and grab money. Hundreds of people worked on it.
It’s completely irrelevant how many people worked on this project so far or didn’t, this is an AAA title which also happens to be Microsoft’s biggest exclusive release so far and it’s only fair to say that for a grand game of this scale
the game feels unfinished and is ridiculed by far too many bugs
communication to the player base and customer support has been absolutely subpar so far
It’s also irrelevant if anyone who criticizes the game could ever program it themselves because people have paid to play FH5 the way it was promoted to be, not to be a game developer themselves. It’s just a logical fallacy you’re spewing.
I’m very sure that - supposing you have a job - there would be no situation where you could face your customer who complains about issues with whatever service or product you’re giving him and just say: “but look at all the other things that work!”. That’s simply unacceptable because as a customer you expect a perfect product (you don’t, everyone knows there’ll be something down the road but still you aim for the best) and if that is not the case, you expect immediate remediation and trustful communication so that you know what’s going to be done in order to fix the mess you made.
After having said this, I look at Forza Support on twitter and the last tweet is almost a week old, there’s absolutely no information about what they’re doing and when they are going to improve on this game. There’s many things to say about this, but I’ll break it down: that’s just bad.
The Twitter side of things shows the issue of having Support for a game run by people who have nothing to do with the game: Forza Support (far as I am aware) is run solely by turn 10…so, things like tweets etc will only be written if someone from Playground tells them to.
Honestly, the communication side of things is just an extension of how Microsoft communicates with people…badly. If PGG communicated with the people they develop this game for, then complaints would be much less…most of the time it feels like we are now irrelevant as we have already paid out money.
That logical fallacy again? It’s like if some big company made a jet which kept crashing because of a bad design flaw (you can probably think of who I’m referring to), does this mean we can’t criticise that company because we ourselves personally can’t build a passenger jet?
Accidents do happen for the few things that are better.
Q1 what year? breathe:rofl:
It’ll take that long for tickets to be found and read. Or they’ll can them with problem noted em.
They must not be acknowledging running fixes if there are any. Gotta get more bought for Xmas to keep Q1 profits outrageous. Lol.
Then again, thanksgiving about ripping the native Americans off for the US. Hmmm.
you can pretty much guess how they work, they want players to buy the game and play for a while but they dont care much after that, lets take fh4 for example, ranked online never worked and they never fixed it, so what they do in fh5, they removed it. even if you only got any scores 1/10 of the time it was still a feature that was fun. all the highscores in fh4 was full of cheaters and they never even removed or cleared those scores, same thing in fh5, since day 1 speed hacks was used in trails, and they wont be removed in fh5 either i would guess. same goes for pr stunts. i mean how hard can it be 2 check the scores and remove all the impossible ones ? horizon is a fun game but if you want to chase scores and try to be the best in any field of racing horizon is not the game for you. just make it an offline game, since the online feature has never worked.
I have mixed feelings with the bugs we’ve seen already. I mean, I’ve paid extra to get it early and to get some advantage, but it also came with the impression that I’m a beta tester, so they made me pay more to get full release could be less buggy. I felt that I should the one that should be paid for this ‘job’ instead of me paying for the title that needed more ironing before normal release.
Multiplayer will probably get fixed, but I’m surprised that they have issues like it would their first game, but not the 5th similar one. Lack of traffic, lack of other players and thus broken Arcade - it really feels like it has not been tested too thoroughly.
All in all I like the game a lot. My main concerns that won’t be fixed are that Mexico does not really feel that great - The graphics don’t seem to be improved much and regarding the scenery itself there are lots of boring/sandy areas, the highway is just sad when compared to the FH4 with no single tunnel. Also the UX… the amount of confusion in the menus (different actions bound to different buttons in parts of it instead of say sticking filters to one button everywhere) and weekly challenges being unclear what to do in them or why they didn’t count. It seems like there were 5 teams working on different parts that rarely communicated with each other and had own way of doing things.
One thing that really confused me at first, is when you switch the shifting to manual, it for some reason disables opening the map, even though that button has nothing to do with the ones used for shifting. It took me quite a minute to figure out what was wrong. Now, you have to press start, go into the menu, and manually select the map. Well, I guess it is called “MANUAL” mode…
??? With default mapping u can open the map with the “2rectangles” and accept things with “x” button. Switching to manual uses “x” button for downshift and “2rectangles” becomes accept. You are simply running out of buttons to have a dedicated button for everything
