Thanks to the restrictions on what can be called a kei car, most models end up being kind of dull and soulless.
There is no disagreement that the majority of Japanese Kei-Cars are practical vehicles. In reality, Japanese Kei-Cars are cars for the common people.
For example, they are like the Volkswagen Type 1. “dull and soulless” is a disrespectful statement to the developers of Kei-Cars, and I strongly disagree.
I would like to believe that PG does not intend to discriminate against Japanese people in the quoted statement, but if they do not retract or correct this statement, we can only assume that this is the consensus of PG and, by extension, Microsoft. I hope that PG will take appropriate action.
I haven’t seen the complete statement or its context, but isn’t it obvious that PG means that the “restrictions… [cause] most models end up being kind of dull and soulless [for a video game]”? Especially if the manufacturers potentially have restrictions in the licensing agreements that would keep PG from swapping engines and adding aftermarket parts. At least that’s my take on what PG refers to as "restrictions ".
It’s not really a fair comparison in my opinion to compare K-cars with the VW type 1, as the latter has been a global icon for decades.
If your argument is correct, then all low-powered cars are “dull and soulless”. I can’t insult the developers of low-powered cars, but you can, I guess. I can’t understand that value.
My main point is to make it clear that Kei-Cars are “common people’s cars”, not “boring cars”. Type 1 is just an example of a “common people’s car”, and I am not comparing Type 1 to Kei-Cars. You just intentionally changed the point.
First of all, this is not something that can be understood by people who don’t know about traffic conditions in Japan or have never driven a car on Japanese public roads.
I like them they are so different to the other cars but I doubt they are soulless since they have an ICE engine only evs are dull and soulless which is why they are a waste of time
Thank you. Most Kei-Cars are small, practical cars, but there are also hot hatches, spiders, and in the past, trucks with rear-engine, rear-wheel drive layouts.
I think EVs are interesting cars when viewed as two-pedal cars. I felt the excitement of zero acceleration. However, the overall environmental impact, such as environmental destruction in manufacturing and disposal of exhausted batteries, is an issue that cannot be ignored.
Most of them are sitting in dealer lots and are left unbought most of them are ugly with disgusting light bands they sure make engine noise but its quiet and not like an ice engine they also have overcleaned interiors they are just overheavy computers on wheels and the way batteries are produced is without zero emissions they are also unreliable and expensive so they are not the future I hope these synthetic fuels are a game changer alongside Hydrogen which apparently can be combined with a ice engine while still remaining Zero emissions unlike Batteries combined with an ice engine which are low emissions vehicles when I drive them ingame all I do is max them and do a top speed run and after that I never drive them again so they also have no fun factor unlike Hybrids and ICE vehicles which I drive multiple times their market share are also getting smaller so yeah people want regular fuels for obvious reasons that I mentioned alongside a awful infrastructure
I just responded to your post the way it was written. Since you mentioned the VW type 1 and “dull and soulless” in the same paragraph and right after another, I assumed that you compared them. There was no “intentional” changing of point, and I took the post as I understood it. Maybe my bad, as English isn’t my first language.
Regarding my “for a videogame” comment, you seem to have missed the part about upgrading the low-powered cars in the licensing. It wasn’t an insult to the developers of low-powered cars (not sure where you got that from), but one of the selling points of every Forza game from start has been the ability to upgrade them. If a manufacturer has no intention of allowing PG (or Turn 10) to add upgrade parts on low-powered cars, I doubt that the developers would even be interested in bringing the vehicle into their games.
I think you assumed from the start that I was arguing against you, while I was only responding from my point of view to what you had posted.
I am also looking forward to hydrogen engines that can use existing production facilities for internal combustion engines. Mazda has given up on the RX-8 Hydrogen, but Toyota has made notable achievements, such as transplanting a hydrogen engine into the AE86 and developing a race car. Of course, other manufacturers are also developing them.
In any case, I truly love the act of driving a car. That is something that has nothing to do with the size or luxury of the car.
I don’t understand what you meant when you said “dull and soulless [for a video game]”
I would like to reiterate that it was PG who said that Japanese Kei-Cars are “dull and soulless,” not me. As I wrote above, please check what PG said before you start talking to me about long, incomprehensible things.
You ignored this. You jumped in on a thread I started about something I wanted to say to PG. You’ve been saying whatever you want and now you want me to tell you? No. I’m under no obligation to give you the URL. This is the official forum for Forza Motorsport or Forza Horizon, so this post is related to those. You should be able to find it on the device you’re using to post on the forum.
I would like to say it again. I protest against PG’s remarks, which show no respect for the companies that manufacture Japanese Kei-Cars.
My argument is that Japanese Kei-Cars are not “dull and soulless cars” but practical cars made for ordinary people.
Subaru also manufactured Kei-Cars in the past, but the companies that manufacture Kei-Cars today are Daihatsu, Suzuki, Mitsubishi, and Honda.
Unfortunately, Daihatsu has never appeared in Forza, and Suzuki has already stopped being included in Forza, but I am very afraid that PG’s foolish remarks will anger Honda, Mitsubishi, and Subaru.
There is no manufacturer that would not be angry if their car was called “dull and soulless cars.”
I am concerned that Japanese manufacturers will stop allowing their cars to be included in Forza, like VW in FM6 and Toyota in FM7.
They’re not trying to discriminate against Japanese people.
It’s quite common for people (especially in the US or Europe) to think practical vehicles are “boring” or “lifeless”. They’re not completely wrong either to be honest, practical vehicles are extremely important, but they’re not particularly exciting or interesting.
Would you think somebody calling a VW Polo or Passat “boring” as discrimination against German people?
The article said, “It is common for Westerners to describe practical cars as boring,” which I understood, but I also thought it ignored the feelings of the recipient.
Whether or not I discriminate against Germans has absolutely no bearing on what I am arguing in this thread, but I do not discriminate against people of any country.
Whether it’s a Kei-Car or a VW Polo, I would never describe any type of car as boring.
Everyone is free to have any kind of opinion. Of course, you are free to describe a car as boring.
However, T10 and PG are in a position to use intellectual property with the cooperation of car manufacturers. This case is about PG, but there is no benefit for T10 or PG to be rude to car manufacturers.
I think it is unlikely that the car manufacturer will officially speak out, but does PG not know that the car manufacturer has the freedom not to sign a contract?
The quote is “restrictions on what can be called a kei car”. I think this transparently refers to actual Japanese regulations on what the requirements are to qualify as a kei car. There are very precise requirements because A) the Japanese goverment has specific objectives in mind (e.g. reducing parking size, reducing pollution, etc.) and B) there are financial incentives on the line.
I don’t think calling them “dull and soulless” is discriminatory, though it is a stupid take on a lot of levels.
In >>1, I stated that it was discriminatory simply because that is what I felt, and I have no evidence to back it up. Therefore, I do not want the word “discriminatory” to take on a life of its own. To clarify my point, in >>12 I stated that it was a “protest against PG’s comments that show no respect for car manufacturers.”
I gave them enough time to correct their wrong thinking. However, they did not change their thinking, so I provided the contents of the blog to all manufacturers selling Kei Cars in Japan. I told them, “Microsoft says your products are dull and soulless.” I can’t lie. I can’t hide anything without a good reason.
Even if Japanese cars disappear from Forza, it will be the result of their choice.
